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RE: Presidential race 2016 - Duchess - 12-09-2015
Donald Trump is creating ill will worldwide.
I fell asleep listening to CNN and one of his reps was talking about a trip Donald was going to be making but he couldn't discuss it further because of security reasons. Why say anything at all when security is involved? Stupid fucker.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-09-2015
(12-08-2015, 08:17 PM)Maggot Wrote: His statements get taken out of context a lot too. The white house is really pissed at his non PC rhetoric.
I don't understand the "statements taken out of context" contention in this regard. It sounds like echoing of Trump and Carson's stump whine when they say something ignorant or false and don't wanna own it.
Some of us are actually watching/listening directly to the candidates, in context, when they make their statements. For me, it's not a matter of 'PC'. Fuck PC. It's a matter of unconstitutional proposals, revisionist history, and bald-faced lies coming out of their mouths -- that's what rubs me so wrong.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Maggot - 12-09-2015
They all lie and many things are taken out of context, and yes I do agree that Trump does not measure his words well. he really should have said we need a moratorium on the Muslim refuges coming in with a better vetting process but Trump will be Trump.
Hillary is more articulate with her lies I will give her that. Recently she said she never told the families that the Benghazi attacks were because of a video when the families exposed that lie. She did blame it on a video.
They all lie though and that's my point.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-09-2015
I agree that most, if not all, politicians lie.
If other politicians start lying in order to propose stripping U.S. citizens of their birthright citizenship based on race, making up their own rules as to who is entitled to run for U.S President based on religion, and banning entry into the U.S. based on religion.......I'll consider those other politicians equally as ignorant and dangerous as Carson and Trump.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Maggot - 12-09-2015
Yeah it shouldn't matter if they are Muslim or Christian. But they should all be scrutinized very closely. I don't believe that's done as well as it could be.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-11-2015
It looks like Rand Paul may be kicked down to the lower tier debate on Tuesday.
His poll numbers at present don't qualify him for the prime time stage.
That could really hurt his struggling campaign; I wonder how much longer he'll be able to hang in there.
As a Libertarian, he was predicted to grab the "outsider' vote for the GOP base early on. But, Trump is even further outside and is kicking his ass in the polls, as is Cruz.
Too bad, like Graham, I think Paul has some different and worthwhile points to make that set him apart from most of the Republican candidates.
Chris Christie may have polled his way to the prime time stage again on Tuesday though.
Story: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/rand-paul-could-be-booted-from-main-debate-stage-216658
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Maggot - 12-11-2015
I'm getting sick of all these idiots..........they all suck both sides.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Duchess - 12-13-2015
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-13-2015
^ That was pretty damned funny.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Maggot - 12-14-2015
Poor Georgy they all get a chance at stardom.RE: Presidential race 2016 - Duchess - 12-14-2015
That was great! I love this kind of satire.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-14-2015
Chris Christie and Rand Paul will participate in the prime time debate tomorrow night. Mike Huckabee didn't make the cut again and willl be part of the earlier lower tier debate.
CNN is hosting the debate again.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Maggot - 12-14-2015
At some point I have to look up the ratio of voters they are using for some of these "polls"
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-15-2015
(12-14-2015, 05:52 PM)Maggot Wrote: At some point I have to look up the ratio of voters they are using for some of these "polls"
I don't know the ratios across all the national polls, but Trump is currently at over 40% support for registered Republicans in some of them. Unbelievable.
Cruz has bumped him from the lead in Iowa though, which predictably resulted in Trump attacking Cruz for the first time last week. He was still saying how much he liked Cruz, but he lamented about how Cruz couldn't really understand evangelicals, his parents being Cuban and all. That logic makes no sense given there are plenty of Christians in Cuba and Cruz's father was a pastor or minister or something like that. But hey...
It would actually make more sense for Trump to do what he did with Obama and open up the birther box again. Cruz was born in Canada after all. His eligibility for U.S. President is questionable to some. But, it seems that most scholars believe he's okay because his mother had become a U.S. citizen before she gave birth to him in Canada. The constitutional legalities are kind of interesting: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/ted-cruzs-presidential-eligibility/
Cruz's campaign is smart. I agree with Adub that he's a strategist. He hasn't publicly criticized Trump or hit back at him. I think Cruz expects that both Trump and Carson will fall by the wayside and he's positioning himself as the real evangelical conservative and outsider. Only he's not an outsider; he's been working the political machine for decades, he's just pissed off a lot of politicians in the process. But hey...
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Duchess - 12-15-2015
I just heard Donald Trump has called for the execution of Bowe Bergdahl.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 08:51 PM)Duchess Wrote: I just heard Donald Trump has called for the execution of Bowe Bergdahl.
Watch..........he'll be at 50% support after that comment.
I didn't get to hear all of it, but I thought the lower tier debate was very good.
Between the four candidates, we heard the pros and cons of all options on the table for dealing with ISIS, Assad, and boots on the ground within Iraq and/or Syria, along with a little about options to handle potential terror threats at home.
ETA: Damn Will Ferrell. I just saw Jeb Bush during the National Anthem; all I could think was 'broccoli!!".
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Duchess - 12-16-2015
All I have are bitches about Donald Trump. Sometimes I just want to punch him right in the face. Cocksucka.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - Blindgreed1 - 12-16-2015
(12-15-2015, 05:42 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:Trump and Cruz being all buddy-buddy has me concerned now.(12-14-2015, 05:52 PM)Maggot Wrote: At some point I have to look up the ratio of voters they are using for some of these "polls"
I don't know the ratios across all the national polls, but Trump is currently at over 40% support for registered Republicans in some of them. Unbelievable.
Cruz has bumped him from the lead in Iowa though, which predictably resulted in Trump attacking Cruz for the first time last week. He was still saying how much he liked Cruz, but he lamented about how Cruz couldn't really understand evangelicals, his parents being Cuban and all. That logic makes no sense given there are plenty of Christians in Cuba and Cruz's father was a pastor or minister or something like that. But hey...
It would actually make more sense for Trump to do what he did with Obama and open up the birther box again. Cruz was born in Canada after all. His eligibility for U.S. President is questionable to some. But, it seems that most scholars believe he's okay because his mother had become a U.S. citizen before she gave birth to him in Canada. The constitutional legalities are kind of interesting: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/ted-cruzs-presidential-eligibility/
Cruz's campaign is smart. I agree with Adub that he's a strategist. He hasn't publicly criticized Trump or hit back at him. I think Cruz expects that both Trump and Carson will fall by the wayside and he's positioning himself as the real evangelical conservative and outsider. Only he's not an outsider; he's been working the political machine for decades, he's just pissed off a lot of politicians in the process. But hey...
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-16-2015
It was a better debate than the previous ones in terms of actually addressing the issues and letting the candidates go back and forth on differences of opinion.
There are some wide differences between the candidates when it comes to foreign policy, national security and immigration.
Bush didn't seem to get as rattled by Trump this time out, but their "no you!" exchanges were still pretty funny.
RE: Presidential race 2016 - HairOfTheDog - 12-16-2015
(12-16-2015, 10:44 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Trump and Cruz being all buddy-buddy has me concerned now.
When it comes to Carson and Cruz, I've noticed that Trump will dog them at his rallies and in the media if they're rising in the polls, but he doesn't do it to them on the debate stage.
I think he probably just doesn't want to risk getting on the wrong side of the evangelical voter base and the popular vote before the primaries and caucuses.
Cruz and Carson always play nice with Trump publicly. I imagine they don't want to come across as juvenile (plus, they want to scoop up Trump's conservative supporters if/when he leaves the race).
Several of the candidates were dog-piling Rubio last night, mostly on the issues rather than personal attacks though.