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RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Carsman - 11-02-2018 (11-02-2018, 08:39 AM)Carsman Wrote:(11-02-2018, 05:52 AM)Duchess Wrote:(11-01-2018, 08:45 PM)Love Child Wrote: Trump is now telling troops to shoot if they are throwing rocks at the military. (11-02-2018, 08:46 AM)Duchess Wrote:(11-02-2018, 08:39 AM)Carsman Wrote: I didn't know our defense officials were clairvoyant. (11-02-2018, 10:10 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I trust our defense officials to assess national security threats. That's their job and they're damn good at it. Their assessments are not based on clairvoyance. Their assessments are based on experience, trends and intelligence. Do you really think the DO's can accurately assess the possible threats of supposedly "thousands" of the migrants heading this way? Without even seeing them in person or getting to talk to them (certainly not vetting them) if that's not clairvoyance, what is? "Trends", possible terrorists don't have to be a genius to think outside the box! So much for trends! RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Rootilda - 11-02-2018 "I trust our defense officials to assess national security threats." Well, except for that little problem we had in 2001. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Duchess - 11-02-2018 (11-02-2018, 02:44 PM)Carsman Wrote: Do you really think the DO's can accurately assess the possible threats of supposedly "thousands" of the migrants heading It hasn't occurred to you that they would have intelligence on the ground, Cars? I don't know how this sort of thing works but it would only stand to reason that they have people down there monitoring the situation. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - HairOfTheDog - 11-02-2018 (11-02-2018, 03:01 PM)Rootilda Wrote: "I trust our defense officials to assess national security threats." Yeah, they blew it then with a terrible attack which was the first of its type. 17 years later and we haven’t had another like it. I’m not saying they always get it right, but no person or group does. And they do a damn good job overall, in my opinion. I don’t take them for granted. A caravan of migrants isn’t anything new for the U.S. We’ve been through it many times before. What’s new is the depiction of them as being comparable to 9 / 11 terrorists when they’re not. That amps up the risk factor at the border. Unlike the 9/ 11 terrorists, the migrants don’t hate the U.S. and what we stand for. They’re desperate to be a part of it. Anyway, I trust our national security experts much more than Trump’s rhetoric or people who buy into it. And, I’ve always trusted their assessment that the biggest threat to our safety and security is individual and collective American extremists. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Rootilda - 11-02-2018 Oh, I'm not comparing the caravan to 9-11. 9-11 happened because the various intelligence agencies weren't communicating and the biggest problem was the White House. Bush was an idiot and his staff were a bunch of war mongers that profited from invading ME countries. However, there was also intel floating around before Pearl Harbor. I'm not a history buff but I'm sure there are more instances as well. And I'd definitely include home grown terrorists in that grouping. Timothy McVeigh? RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - BigMark - 11-02-2018 He said treat the rocks like rifles, he most likely meant bullets and I sure the fuck would fire if some pendejo was throwing rocks at me. https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/02/migrant-caravan-throwing-rocks-mexican-helicopter/ RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Rootilda - 11-02-2018 “We had rocks thrown at us all the time in Afghanistan. Responding with lethal force is a fucking war crime." https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/verabergengruen/trump-rocks-military-leaders-decry-war-crimes?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Love Child - 11-02-2018 I am thankful to read that Rootilda, thanks. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - BigMark - 11-02-2018 Is throwing rocks back lethal force? RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Fry Guy - 11-03-2018 I will tell you this. If they have rejected offers by Mexico despite being obliged to take asylum there and still go to the US regardless AND have been demanded to turn back by the President of USA AND still come and the President mans guards at the border and they still keep coming AND when not given to their "entitlements" of being admitted as they were advised, they decide to then assault the people at the border, I think they put themselves in exactly that situation and have no grounds to complain. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - HairOfTheDog - 11-03-2018 (11-02-2018, 04:07 PM)Rootilda Wrote: Oh, I'm not comparing the caravan to 9-11. Sorry Rootilda. I wasn't suggesting you were. I was just jumping off your post, same as Love Child's yesterday. The rhetoric surrounding this latest impending caravan keeps changing by the hour. This most recent caravan doesn't need to be a big fucking problem. It's being made into one for perceived/potential political gain. Anyway, throwing rocks isn't cool. Throwing rocks also isn't a deed worthy of being shot or killed unless you're living in a third word country. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Duchess - 11-03-2018 I don't have a single concern about the people in the caravan, not a one. I'd even be glad to trade some fucked up Americans for them. I have more to fear from other Americans who think like some of you than I do from people looking for a better way of life. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Fry Guy - 11-03-2018 (11-03-2018, 05:17 AM)Duchess Wrote: I don't have a single concern about the people in the caravan, not a one. I'd even be glad to trade some fucked up Americans for them. I have more to fear from other Americans who think like some of you than I do from people looking for a better way of life. So who in the caravan is looking for a better way of life? Who in the caravan is trying to escape persecution? Who in the caravan is trying to come in with bad intent? What are the numbers? What percentage are mothers and children? RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Maggot - 11-03-2018 I was talking to one of my customers that is from Venezuela he came here over 15 yrs ago, became a citizen and started an HVAC business. He brought his brother, his Father his wife up here and all of them are now citizens. You can tell he is from Latin America through his accent. He is doing quite well now and last I looked he has bought over 400,000 worth of equipment and metal from me this year. I asked him "Manny" thats his name what he thought of this caravan and he laughed and said that all those people are in that parade because they are not welcome there. He said it was filled with drug dealers addicts, gun runners and everyone that could not make it down there, he went on to say "why do you think they don't care if they leave" I have yet to ask Manny's brother Elvis (yeah he even looks like him) what he thought about it. They are angry that this is happening because they worked hard to get where they are and they are giving everyone from down there a bad name. So say what you will about the poor and down trodden but I have spoken to some people from down there and tend to agree with them. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Rootilda - 11-03-2018 Well okay then, a Venezuelan ex-pat is obviously an expert on the subject. Case closed. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Fry Guy - 11-03-2018 (11-03-2018, 11:08 AM)Rootilda Wrote: Well okay then, a Venezuelan ex-pat is obviously an expert on the subject. Case closed. It is better to dismiss his opinion out of hand I guess. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Duchess - 11-03-2018 (11-03-2018, 08:03 AM)Maggot Wrote: He said it was filled with drug dealers addicts, gun runners and how does Manny know this? RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Rootilda - 11-03-2018 He's from Venezuela! He's got an accent and everything. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Duchess - 11-03-2018 (11-03-2018, 05:11 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Throwing rocks also isn't a deed worthy of being shot or killed unless you're living in a third word country. The Nigerian army used trump's own words to justify murdering protesters. Again, words matter. RE: What should be done about the caravan of people coming to the U.S. - Maggot - 11-03-2018 I had mentioned the caravan to Manny and he kinda chuckled, it took some time before I even mentioned it to him but I just had to get an opinion of someone that was closer to these people than you folks and I were. We go by the news and what we hear, he is going by what he knows from the area of central and South America. I was just curious and relayed what I heard. Believe it or not but I tend to believe what he said more than what any media outlet in the States that tend to have a slant either right or left on the matter. A non political question although as a businessman he likes Trump for todays economy as is what most business leaders like also. All the right needs to do is campaign off the great economy to win, You either like the jobs, profits, wage increases or you don't. |