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RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:10 AM)Duchess Wrote: Really hoping that George Zimmerman takes the stand. I have so many questions from his written statement that night that I hope are addressed during the trial. Here's one that bothers me. George says Trayvon emerged from the darkness after he called 911 dispatch and went out to look for a street sign and to see what way the "suspect" had headed. He says that when Trayvon asked him if had a problem, that he (George) made a conscious decision not to identify himself as NW or tell him that he'd called authorities because he didn't want to cause a confrontation. Instead, he just told Trayvon, "no". Then, George says that Trayvon said, "you do now". At which time, George says that he reached for his cell phone to call 911 again and Trayvon punched him in the face. My question is, if George thought that Trayvon would be provoked by authority, rather than diffused by it, why would he think that calling authorities right in front of Trayvon would be any less likely to cause a confrontation than telling Trayvon he was NW or that he'd just called authorities? It makes no sense at all to me. And, since George chose never to identify himself, when he reached for his cell phone, is it reasonable to assume that Trayvon might have thought he was reaching for something else? Was that something else possibly visible at that time? I'd like to hear George explain the rationale for some of his decisions that night and his perceptions of Trayvon's reaction to him, under oath and under cross examination. In conjunction with the forensics and time line, that's the best hope for determining whether his version of events is truth or fiction, imo. Here's George's written statement that night, for reference: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/22/us/21george-zimmerman-transcript.html RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:36 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:(05-25-2013, 09:10 AM)Duchess Wrote: How is she ignorant? She is telling the truth! Zimmerman apparently forget about the gun he was carrying that Trayvon somehow did know was there! Illogical captain, I think you will agree. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:42 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I have so many questions from his written statement that night that I hope are addressed during the trial. I think you're in the wrong profession, you would have made a hell of an attorney. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:45 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:(05-25-2013, 09:36 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:(05-25-2013, 09:10 AM)Duchess Wrote: Zimmerman is going to walk. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 05-25-2013 (06-08-1970, 08:08 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Zimmerman is going to walk. If he does prepare yourself for the return of that good old American tradition - the race riot! RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - ZEROSPHERES - 05-25-2013 Jail may be the safest place for Z. Let's put him there for his own protection and to guard against civil unrest. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 05-25-2013 (05-24-2013, 09:55 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Thinking he's lost him Z is now returning to his truck. This is where T jumps him, knocking him to the ground. I'm not sure why you keep stating that George was bumrushed or jumped by Trayvon, MS? In so doing, you are at once saying that George is lying while also saying that he's telling the truth. Hard to follow. George says that he and Trayvon were standing up and conversing before the first punch was thrown. He was face to face with Trayvon, to whom he'd chosen not to identify himself nor his NW status, when George says that Trayvon punched him in the nose as George reached for his cell phone. George says he fell to the ground at that point. That's George's version of events, which is inconsistent with your version of George's version of events. Again, here's George's own version of events: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/22/us/21george-zimmerman-transcript.html ------------------------------------------------------------- Another point of confusion for me: the statement that George was beaten almost unconscious keeps being posted as fact. George's actions and responses immediately after the shooting indicate no sign of confusion, short term memory loss, physical or mental impairment. In his written statement that night, he said his head felt like it was going to explode when it was being pounded against the sidewalk. That's where it stops. The EMS report from the scene shows nothing to indicate that there was a concussion, abnormal vitals, irregular breathing, or any sign of internal injuries. Tenderness, bleeding and abrasions to the back of the head and an injured nose is all that was noted by the Emergency Medical personnel who evaluated Zimmerman that night. If the "beaten almost unconscious" statement is supported by medical records, appreciated if someone could post them. I'm missing that piece. TIA. Here's the EMS Report that I've seen from that night: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/zimmerman.fdems.report.pdf RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - username - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:42 AM)Adub Wrote: There is no IF to Zimmerman being a big fat liar. George says that after the broke my nose punch (blood) Trayvon was smothering him with one hand on his mouth and the other pinching his nose. I can't see how one could possibly beat someone to the point where they're in fear for their life and not have a bit of blood on your hands/person besides a thumb print. Crazy. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - username - 05-25-2013 HotD rocks as the crime forum moderator. I'd be all confuzzled if she didn't keep bringing in the facts. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - sally - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 11:39 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm not sure why you keep stating that George was bumrushed or jumped by Trayvon, MS? MS pulls this nonsense out of his ass because he has it embedded in his pea brain that Trayvon was a thug that was up to no good anyway and Z was just doing his duty at a safe distance. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 12:29 PM)sally Wrote:(05-25-2013, 11:39 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm not sure why you keep stating that George was bumrushed or jumped by Trayvon, MS? If I didn't keep pointing this shit out, it would be a boreass festival of Zimmerman haters in here. Post #6, btw. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 05-25-2013 Does it honestly surprise you that so many people here see zimmerman in a negative light after what he's done? Whatever the hums and the hars and the do you mind if donts of this case the fact is he shot and killed an innocent teenager out shopping for candy. What do you want us to do? Give him a round of applause? RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 02:08 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: If I didn't keep pulling this shit out of my ass, I wouldn't be such a boreass filleted by the Zimmerman haters in here. ^ Edited for accuracy. It's approximately your Post #60 reflecting the same point of ignorance, btw. Knucklehead. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 03:07 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:(05-25-2013, 02:08 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: If I didn't keep pulling this shit out of my ass, I wouldn't be such a boreass filleted by the Zimmerman haters in here. It's all fine and dandy, HotD, but I'm on the side with Bone, Six and F.U., and I'm pretty sure they concur that fat Zim is going to walk. I'm not in love with Zim, but with just his version of things to go by, a jury is most likely going to acquit. BTW, you're welcome to spank my ass anytime and I'd love to return the favor. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 03:32 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: It's all fine and dandy, HotD, but I'm on the side with Bone, Six and F.U., and I'm pretty sure they concur that fat Zim is going to walk. I didn't mention anything about what side you're on: Zimmerman's, Trayvon's, undecided - none of them are boreass to me. If you don't really believe Zimmerman, it's okay to come out of the closet with it and just say so. If that's not the case, just pointing out to you that your current theory (which you've posted many times) requires Zimmerman to be a liar and therefore conflicts with your side's story, Mr. Rockford. ETA: I'm honestly not clear from your posts whether it's George's version of events that you believe will get him acquitted, or your contradictory version of events? RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - sally - 05-25-2013 I don't read the crime forum much, but if MS, Six and JBone post their retarded comments in all the other threads too, I could see where I might become so annoyed that my spleen would burst. RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cheyne - 05-25-2013 The defense crap with trying to get the cell pics in reminds me of the bad old days with rape trials. The victim would have her entire life dissected, including the clothes she was wearing, her hairstyle, where she was walking and the number of men she had had consensual sexual relations with, ad nauseam. Those pics have no bearing on this case. Are there any other charges besides Murder 2? Does the jury have the option to convict for Manslaughter? RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - SIXFOOTERsez - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 08:57 AM)Duchess Wrote:There is no telling. I think it needs to be worked over some, every time some asshole gets in a shooting thy claim SYG. Its bullshit most of the time. Wouldn't take pages and pages to get it better, problem is if you open the door a crack to a revision the anti gun nuts would try and ram in all kinds of stuff just like they did with the background checks(05-25-2013, 08:56 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Thats the problem with SYG as its written, it does not go far enough to limit the scope and the authors apparently did not anticipate the law being used in this kind of situation where the shooter is accused of being the aggressor RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - SIXFOOTERsez - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 08:54 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:T's family and all tried to portray him as an innocent little kid, didn't want any recent photos released or in the paper, check out post 1910(05-25-2013, 08:47 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: I think thats based on the premise by the prosecution that T was an innocent law abiding boy scout that just happened to be black and wearing a hoodie, the defense alleges that in fact T was at least a wannabe thug like most young black kids here in the US. Have you looked around? See how many black kids are running around with their pants hanging off their ass, are in jail, gang members, worship rappers? Yea, I believe most black kids wanna be a thug, pimp, dealer, playa whatthefuckever..If you don't thats fine, but keep an eye on your kids. So no mask, I own it RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - SIXFOOTERsez - 05-25-2013 (05-25-2013, 09:13 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:Could be your right. Doesn't seem right that one is in and the other is out(05-25-2013, 08:47 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote:(05-25-2013, 08:13 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:I think thats based on the premise by the prosecution that T was an innocent law abiding boy scout that just happened to be black and wearing a hoodie, the defense alleges that in fact T was at least a wannabe thug like most young black kids here in the US.(05-25-2013, 07:41 AM)Adub Wrote: Kind of interesting that the previous judge said no to anything found on Zimmerman's phone. Zimmerman's cell phone info is exempt, not relevant. |