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A Debate on Feminism
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(01-16-2019, 07:16 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:  
Pappy, with the exception of the part about the Constitution, you just posted the exact same sentiments that I did upthread --  men and women are not the same, one isn't inherently stronger/better than the other overall, not everyone has the same capabilities, and equality is not synonymous with sameness.  Clearly, we're on the same page in those regards.

Regarding the Constitution, it only applies to people in the United States.  Feminism and equal rights are, of course, global matters  In any case, the general rights guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution aren't always applied equally to all U.S. citizens in practice.  Thus the need for amendments and/or court interpretations, activism, and laws to correct unequal application of Constitutional rights (such as the right of women and black people to vote, the right of  gay couples to marry, the right of women to serve in the military, etc).

Again we mostly agree, where we disagree is in the fundamental problems facing the world. 

Have you ever asked yourself why the US and French revolutions ended in two completely different ways? The idea of Socialism has been around for centuries, long before Marx wrote about it. Socialism is a European concept; our founders rejected it, the French embraced it. Truly the difference boils down to only one word. Our revolution was about the rights of man, the French was the rights of men. Theirs ended with the guillotine, ours with the largest expansion of the worlds GDP. Read the 5000 Year Leap.

I agree inequities have happened, and in many places continue to happen. The question is what is the solution to the problem? The simple solution is do what our founders did, chose to side on the rights of the individual. Hence the problem with progressives/ socialists; they want to create groups of classes as FryGuy stated. It doesn't work, and it never will because of human nature. The free market is the solution; if people want something some one will figure out a way to make a profit off it.

I have said repeatedly educate yourself, progressives have been systematically changing history very slowly over the past 100 years. DC is out of control; and both sides of the aisle are to blame. If we apply the founders solution, we take bake the power the states granted the federal government through an Article 5 Convention of States. We allow individual states to decide.

As for other countries ,they are free to choose our solution as well.  They can adopt our constitution , it's on line for free.
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A Debate on Feminism - by MirahM - 01-15-2019, 11:07 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by HairOfTheDog - 01-16-2019, 12:04 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-16-2019, 12:19 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Clang McFly - 01-16-2019, 12:43 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by MirahM - 01-16-2019, 02:07 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-16-2019, 07:26 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by HairOfTheDog - 01-16-2019, 10:44 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-16-2019, 03:48 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by HairOfTheDog - 01-16-2019, 07:16 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-16-2019, 08:45 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Blindgreed1 - 01-17-2019, 08:51 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 11:21 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by HairOfTheDog - 01-16-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-16-2019, 01:41 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 02:13 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 02:40 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-16-2019, 04:04 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-16-2019, 05:21 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 05:36 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Clang McFly - 01-16-2019, 05:40 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-16-2019, 06:30 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-16-2019, 07:32 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 09:27 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-16-2019, 09:42 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-16-2019, 11:05 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-17-2019, 01:10 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by MirahM - 01-17-2019, 01:44 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-17-2019, 11:11 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-17-2019, 03:49 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-18-2019, 11:13 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-19-2019, 07:34 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-19-2019, 08:45 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-19-2019, 11:48 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Clang McFly - 01-19-2019, 05:58 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-20-2019, 10:39 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-20-2019, 11:44 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-19-2019, 10:18 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-19-2019, 10:43 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-21-2019, 12:35 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by pyropappy - 01-21-2019, 12:53 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-21-2019, 04:08 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-21-2019, 07:03 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-21-2019, 08:14 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-21-2019, 10:09 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-21-2019, 11:04 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-21-2019, 04:04 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-21-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by MirahM - 01-21-2019, 08:31 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-22-2019, 09:37 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-22-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-22-2019, 03:13 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-22-2019, 03:21 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-22-2019, 04:45 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-22-2019, 04:47 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-22-2019, 04:56 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-22-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-22-2019, 06:05 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-22-2019, 06:51 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by MirahM - 01-22-2019, 10:49 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Maggot - 01-25-2019, 09:44 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-25-2019, 10:44 AM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Duchess - 01-25-2019, 05:06 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by Fry Guy - 01-25-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: A Debate on Feminism - by BigMark - 01-25-2019, 06:18 PM