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ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING
(03-16-2019, 11:31 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:
(03-16-2019, 08:35 PM)Maggot Wrote: The narrative of taking away rights from law abiding citizens is wearing thin. If a criminal wants a gun they can get one. Better security is needed in today's world. Most European and Arab schools have security the U.S. needs to adopt better policy's that protect kids at the moment. Not 20 min later and wait for the police to set up a "perimeter"

For me, it gets old hearing people pushing the false narrative that they have "rights" which don't actually exist in discussions about public safety and life and death.

No one in the U.S. has a "right" to buy guns without undergoing a background check.  Gun ownership was specified as being "well regulated" in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.

And, no one has a "right" to own high capacity magazines or cartridges (or bump stocks, or rocket launchers, or automatic weapons).  Bearing high capacity magazines is an option and preference available to gun owners in some states.  It's not a right that's guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.

U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms for self-defense, that's it.  That's the Supreme Court ruling in regards to the Second Amendment.  

Privileges and options are not "rights".

U.S. citizens are, on the other hand, expressly guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness under the Declaration of Independence.  

That may mean limiting options and preferences for some gun owners.  

It may also mean that students and parents who consider armed guards objectionable will have to live with it, and people who object to searches at public venues will have to put up with it as well.

HOTD, your thoughts are heart felt, everyone understands that. The premise has been pushed by progressives for nearly a century, but it is not factual. The founders trusted the American people, the elites do not.

Read the founders words for yourself:

WALLBUILDERS

The bottom line to me is quite simple, evil exists, and it always will. Some people are going to do horrific things; the only question is how to react when it happens. I say be prepared; get trained to defend yourself. Learn to shoot, and practice regularly. Trust that people will always come to the aid of strangers being affected by evil. We will never stop the evil, but we must punish the perpetrators. Another simple fact, killing the bastards will put a permanent end to their evil.

For forty years my brother went all over the world fighting evil, and he did it with a gun. 

History is rife with examples of government crushing the citizens; we are the only people on the planet that governments fear. That is how the founders designed it.
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 Why would anyone trust someone who doesn't have good judgement? 
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Problem with people being allowed to define things like who has or has not got good judgment is that it is subjective and the people you would like making decisions about such things are rarely the people you'd like to.
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Netherlands

Three people were killed and 5 injured after a gunman opened fire on a tram in the Dutch city of Utrecht.

Police said they are investigating a possible terrorist motive for the incident, which took place at around 10:45 a.m.

Dutch anti-terror coordinator Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg told a press conference a “complex operation” was under way to find the shooter. Aalbersberg raised the alert level in Utrecht province to its maximum level after the incident.

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Utrecht police later issued a CCTV picture of the suspect ^, whom they named as Turkish-born Gökmen Tanis, aged 37, and warned people not to approach him.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told public broadcaster NOS that it was "very disturbing news."

Rutte later held a press conference in which he said "an act of terror is an attack on our open and tolerant society. If it is an act of terror, there is only one answer: our rule of law and democracy is stronger than violence." 

If this is ultimately confirmed to be a terrorist attack, I'll cross-reference it in the "TERRORIST ATTACKS" thread.

Hopefully, Dutch authorities will be able to apprehend this murderer and any accomplices before he hurts/kills anyone else.

Ref:  https://www.politico.eu/article/police-m...n-utrecht/
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Oh God. Not another one!
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(03-18-2019, 12:51 PM)Duchess Wrote: Oh God. Not another one!

Fortunately, Dutch police just apprehended the suspected mass shooter.

He reportedly has a history of violent run-ins with the law which includes attempted manslaughter in 2013 — when he was accused of firing a gun at an apartment building in the same area as Monday's attack. 

And earlier this month, suspect Tanis appeared in court over a rape allegation from 2017, the agency reports.

Details are still emerging about the mass shooting.  Just before the attack, police say, a car was stolen from a street a few blocks south of the intersection where the shooting took place. That car, a red Renault Clio, was later recovered several miles northeast of where it was taken.  It's not clear if the two crimes are related yet.
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My buddy Foko is all over this; the M Squad is bad ass.
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It's looking like the mass shooting in the Netherlands today may have been  spurred by domestic violence rather than terrorism, but the investigation into the motive is still underway.

The family of the shooter said that he was targeting a family member and shot people who intervened.

A witness also told NOS that the gunman seemed to have targeted one woman in particular. The woman had been on the ground, and people were assisting her, said Daan Molenaar.

Molenaar said that he saw an armed man running towards the group. “It looked as if he wanted to attack her again, or maybe the people who helped her,” he said.

The suspect has a long rap sheet, NOS reported. Among other crimes such as shoplifting and property damage, he was convicted of attempted murder in 2013. He is also a defendant in a rape trial that started two weeks ago.

Three people were killed in the shooting attack and five were injured, three of whom remain in critical condition.

Ref:  https://www.policeone.com/active-shooter...-shooting/
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This is so sad  :(

Sidney Aiello is one of the Parkland kids. She survived the school shooting but her friend Meadow was murdered. Sidney took her own life last Sunday. Her parents said she had survivors guilt. AwfulAwfulAwful.
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I saw that this morning, the article also said that she's had problems attending classes in college because the possibility of another shooting was always on her mind. Another casualty of gun violence.
Sally, the flaming asshole of MockForums
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The Miami Herald is reporting that another Parkland kid committed suicide.
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(03-24-2019, 12:58 PM)Duchess Wrote: The Miami Herald is reporting that another Parkland kid committed suicide.

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It was really sad to read about Sidney Aiello ^ taking her own life.  What a tragedy for her family.  Rest in peace.

I don't think the identity of the second reported suicide has been reported.  I've only seen that the student was male and in 10th grade and it's not clear if his death is connected to the mass shooting.

In any case, I read this morning that more mental health resources and counselors for the survivors are being sought for the Parkland community.  I hope they get as much help as they need quickly.

One of the concerns expressed by residents is that some administrators were transferred after the mass shooting, thus there are fewer accessible adult resources who experienced the trauma first hand. 

Refs:
https://heavy.com/news/2019/03/sydney-aiello/
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c...50134.html
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Now it's being reported that the father of one of the kids killed at Sandy Hook has committed suicide.
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(03-25-2019, 11:40 AM)Duchess Wrote: Now it's being reported that the father of one of the kids killed at Sandy Hook has committed suicide.

He was from Tucson. Graduated from Sabino HS and the U of A.
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This shit is all just so goddamn saddening. Parents not wanting to go on and haunted by their child's murder, school kids with PTSD who find death preferable to living. Jesus.
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I don't know how parents send their kids off to school everyday. I think I would be terrified every minute they were there. I can't even stop dwelling on these most recent deaths.
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It's the 20th anniversary of the Columbine school shooting. At the time, it was the 5th deadliest mass shooting, now, it doesn't make the top 10.

Do y'all remember when it happened?
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(04-20-2019, 06:18 PM)Duchess Wrote: It's the 20th anniversary of the Columbine school shooting. At the time, it was the 5th deadliest mass shooting, now, it doesn't make the top 10.

Do y'all remember when it happened?

I remember how surreal it was when it happened and how it dominated the news for weeks afterwards.  

Those Columbine articles/stories sure seem to have inspired a lot of the subsequent school shooters, according to the shooters' own statements and writings.

Earlier this week I read about a young woman who posted about her fixation with Columbine. I think she was 18. She had armed herself and traveled to another state, presumably to carry out a mass shooting. LE put out an APB in attempt to capture her before she could follow through and later found her dead of suicide after reports that she was running naked in the woods. ETA: link to story: https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-infatua...eport-says
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California -- Synagogue Shooting

On the final day of Passover and exactly six months after 11 people were killed by a mass shooter at a Pittsburgh synagogue............

Yesterday, a man armed with an AR-15 and tactical gear launched another deadly attack on those of Jewish faith in a place of worship.


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^ One woman was shot to death in the attack at the Chabad of Poway Synagogue, near San Diego.  Rest in peace  Lori Gilbert-Kaye, 60.  

Three others were injured and are expected to survive.

The worshipers reportedly confronted the shooter and Rabbi Yisroel Goldstein, who had two fingers shot off during the confrontation, continued services during the attack.  The shooter's rifle is then believed to have jammed.

As the shooter was making his escape, an off-duty border patrol agent at the synagogue chased after him and fired.  The shooter was not hit (though his vehicle was) and he continued his getaway before pulling over and calling 911 to surrender to police.

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The suspect has been identified as 19-year-old John T. Earnest of San Diego.

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Earnest ^ is an accomplished pianist and Dean's List nursing student at Cal State San Marcos. He is also suspected of starting fire to a mosque on March 24th.

He reportedly posted a play list for his upcoming attack (which he unsuccessfully intended to live stream) and a link to his manifesto on 8chan just before attacking the synagogue.  At least one person who saw it on the site called the FBI.

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