VIOLENCE VS SEX

[Maggot]

I think his family should beat him more often.

[HairOfTheDog]

And that's a good thing. I have no problem with faith per se; I think it's helped a lot of people, directly and indirectly.

I view faith in the same way, religious faith or any other kind.

If it helps people to do right by themselves and others, that's great.

If it's used or manipulated to encourage hate or an heir of moral superiority in relation to people of other faiths or people of no faith, it's just a scam. IMO.

[crash]

I think his family should beat him more often.

MS? Maybe..

[Maggot]

He would be nice and tender then.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks for answering, crash. Interesting.

What I think Cutz's argument is, is that if the guy can molest a child, then he is not like God, therefore he is not godly.

But, he is still devout and pious, so therefore he is godly? I'll be interested in Cutz's answer if he chooses to weigh in.

I don't think any answer is wrong. I just think it's a matter of personal perspective.

[cruehead]

I rather talk about sex.....I havnt gotten laid in about two weeks...anyone else more pathetic?

[Midwest Spy]

Would you say that he is a godly person and/or a good person because of his belief and worship of god and his religious devotion?

Just because you've devoted yourself to God doesn't mean you're infallible.

We're all human, we all make mistakes, even clergy.

I would say he strived to be Godly but failed (as we all do, some more than others).

Molesting children is very difficult to hear about. For me, it's probably even worse than killing an adult.

Children are defenseless, and those who prey on them are either evil or have been damaged themselves.

I'd hate to think about a Pastor or other Person Of God that I knew personally committing an act like that.

It'd be very difficult to forgive, maybe impossible.

[crash]

anyone else more pathetic?

I got you covered..

[crash]

It'd be very difficult to forgive, maybe impossible.

Maybe that's where we're different. I wouldn't want to.

[HairOfTheDog]

Jesus, MS, my questions couldn't be more direct and you still can't answer them directly.

Thanks for giving it a shot, though.


crash and crue: I'm not more pathetic yet, but I will be in September and October.

[FAHQTOO]

I rather talk about sex.....I havnt gotten laid in about two weeks...anyone else more pathetic?

Ramsey and Aussie. I was for quite a while, but getting laid regularly now...Ramsey. ::biggrin: :

[sally]

Jesus, MS, my questions couldn't be more direct and you still can't answer them directly.

Thanks for giving it a shot, though.

I told you.

[Cutz]

I guess part of it comes from the archaic meaning of pious, to be loyal and dutiful. When godly defines as pious and devout, not in religious text but by the English language, it means both a dutiful following of moral virtues and a devoted belief in God (Again, my perspective.) So from my viewpoint, a godly person would be loyal to the true teachings of God, most simply put, to treat everyone fairly and equally. Molesting children is not fair to them... so I wouldn't describe the priest as good or godly. crash had my argument pegged correctly.

Now, can that priest still be redeemed and forgiven? In the hearts of the most godly of the congregation...yes. In God's eyes? Sure. It's not up to me to say that God would condemn this priest to Hell. Would I be able to forgive him myself? Probably not, but I'm no more perfect than anyone else.

[Midwest Spy]

I think you're a decent stand up family guy, MS,

That's how I see him too.

That's awfully generous

I appreciate the sentiments.

[blueberryhill]

No, the Pastor is neither Godly or a good person. He goes to the extreme in believing in a higher power to lessen his guilt over his "sinful" desires.....More likely the reason, he devoted himself to Christ. Say a serial killer is only really bad when he is killing, but he has only spent a total of 24 hours killing; he is also 50 years old. His neighbors say he goes to Church every Sunday, teaches Sunday School, is a good Father, does chores for his elderly neighbors, gives money to his Church, believes in God... So, do we define him as a Godly person or is he defined by the persons he killed. He spent less time killing and more time quoting scriptures. Oh hell, does anyone know what I am trying to say? I believe the worst "sinners" profess to love God, go to Church, quote the bible, have no tolerance, extremely judgmental, and don't practice what they preach. Religion is the spiritual part of us and it is how we treat each other which makes us Godly. We try to follow rules of our society, loving, caring, nurturing, helping, etc. and we don't have to go to Church to sustain our beliefs. As for the TV Preachers, what a scam; they get rich off of their loyal followers IMO. I am going to stop now as Maggs thinks I can be a chatterbox and if anybody understands what I just said, congratulations.....No, I am not drinking....

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm no more perfect than anyone else.

Yeah, me neither.

But, hey, we're less pathetic than crash and crue, at the moment.

And, way less evasive than Midwest Spy, that ungodly (from my personal perspective) bull-shittin' pervert (fact).

[HairOfTheDog]

if anybody understands what I just said, congratulations.....No, I am not drinking....

I got you loud and clear and share some of your views, blueberry...and I'm not drinking either (but I kinda wish that I were).

[aussiefriend]

I rather talk about sex.....I havnt gotten laid in about two weeks...anyone else more pathetic?

Ramsey and Aussie. I was for quite a while, but getting laid regularly now...Ramsey. ::biggrin: :

We need a code black team in here and give this woman a shot and sedate her, she is psychotic already.

[aussiefriend]

Regarding Christians, I don't like most christians, and most of them really don't like me. I don't even know if Joel would like me.

[Cutz]

No, the Pastor is neither Godly or a good person. He goes to the extreme in believing in a higher power to lessen his guilt over his "sinful" desires.....More likely the reason, he devoted himself to Christ. Say a serial killer is only really bad when he is killing, but he has only spent a total of 24 hours killing; he is also 50 years old. His neighbors say he goes to Church every Sunday, teaches Sunday School, is a good Father, does chores for his elderly neighbors, gives money to his Church, believes in God... So, do we define him as a Godly person or is he defined by the persons he killed. He spent less time killing and more time quoting scriptures. Oh hell, does anyone know what I am trying to say? I believe the worst "sinners" profess to love God, go to Church, quote the bible, have no tolerance, extremely judgmental, and don't practice what they preach. Religion is the spiritual part of us and it is how we treat each other which makes us Godly. We try to follow rules of our society, loving, caring, nurturing, helping, etc. and we don't have to go to Church to sustain our beliefs. As for the TV Preachers, what a scam; they get rich off of their loyal followers IMO. I am going to stop now as Maggs thinks I can be a chatterbox and if anybody understands what I just said, congratulations.....No, I am not drinking....

That's why I didn't want to watch the show Dexter. I was like, 'a show with the protagonist as a serial killer? Heck no!' Then I found out he only kills killers, and it's like, does that make him a good dude? Or is he still a bad dude that's just compensating for his badness with his code? It was an interesting series for that fact.

But yeah, you can't like break someone's life up into facets and say, are they good or bad based on whether they did more good than bad, or vice versa. If a doctor saves a life that no other person could have saved, but kills the next patient on purpose... have they done more good or bad in the world? What if he saves 100 patients and kills 3, does the good outweigh the bad? It gets to a point where it's completely subjective.