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GRUESOME BEVER FAMILY MURDERS, OK -- TEEN SONS ARRESTED
#21
(07-25-2015, 06:51 PM)sally Wrote: I read they used several different butchering tools including a hatchet. The older boy also confessed to planning on killing other people outside of the family.

I read the same, sal. So, police are either withholding or the older boy Robert isn't coherent enough for them to secure a motive yet.

I agree with you that Robert Bever looked nutty even back in the old family photo, which looks to have been snapped about four year years ago (I think the baby on grandma's lap is probably the 5-year-old girl who was killed).

Robert would have been about 14 when that photo was taken.

Personally, I don't think meth-rage is the motivator here, more likely mental illness. But, who knows?
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#22
(07-25-2015, 04:32 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:
(07-25-2015, 01:04 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The 13-year-old girl told police that the older brother, Robert, attacked her and her family.

Maybe the 13 year old "pretended" to assist his brother, to survive Robert's murderous rampage?

It's odd the sister's statement didn't include Michael.

I wonder if "Bobby" ever applied to an Ivy League School . . . or any post-secondary institution?

I still hear banjos when I look at his mugshot . . . the original and the hygienic one.

In my opinion, it's more likely that 16-year-old Michael was under the influence of his brother. It's possible that Michael was an accomplice, but didn't actually attack or kill anyone.

I'm guessing Michael was the suspect who was admitted to the hospital upon arrest.

If I were a cop or prosecutor working the case with no parents in the picture, I'd charge the shit outta Michael in hopes of getting everything I could from the kid, offer him sincere advice in his own best interest, and then lower the charges if he cooperated and testified against his brother.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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#23
I'm curious to hear about the parents, I bet they were freaks. How do you end up with a kid like that at no fault of your own? Or maybe the house was possessed like Amityville.
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#24
(07-25-2015, 07:45 PM)sally Wrote: I'm curious to hear about the parents, I bet they were freaks. How do you end up with a kid like that at no fault of your own? Or maybe the house was possessed like Amityville.

I'm curious too.

All I've found so far is that the kids were kept on sort of a short leash, the kids were the light of mom's eyes, dad was a very successful technology administrator for major companies and he worked from home all or part of the time, the family lived in a very safe and upscale area, and the kids were home-schooled by mom from the time that the oldest, Robert, was in kindergarten.

Some great people/parents raise fucked up kids; this I know. Some fucked up people/parents raise equally fucked up kids who parrot their parents' behavior; that's a fact. And, some fucked up people/parents raise great kids who vow from a very early age not to be like their parents and keep that vow until the day they die; I can think of several examples. So, I'm not ready to blame the parents just yet.

I've read some comments by people who think home-schooling is at least partially to blame. They contend that if the boys had been in regular school and socializing with other kids their own age, the boys would have been better adjusted (or, at least, their issues would likely have been detected by others prior to the slaughter of the family). I see the merit in that argument.

Then again, most kids who've murdered family members or classmates attended public schools.
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#25
(07-25-2015, 07:02 PM)BlueTiki Wrote:
(07-25-2015, 06:38 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I hate to even bring it up, but here is a case where a gun wasn't handy, and the creep used the next best thing.

So . . . I am guessing that your point is: "A gun doesn't cause murderous intentions . . . if someone wants to kill, they will find a way."?

I haven't seen anyone here at Mock ever suggest that a gun causes murderous intentions. That would be plain stupid.

However, I've seen MS and plenty of others make the reasonable argument that a gun in the wrong hands makes it easy and convenient for those so inclined to carry out their murderous intentions.

Not everyone who has murderous intentions has it in them to beat or butcher a person/people to death. But, some of them who wouldn't do it the hard way would most definitely have no problem pumping bullets into another person(s), denying their targets the opportunity to fight. Lazy/pussy perps, I guess.

I don't think it's reasonably arguable that it's way easier to carry out a mass murder without a gun in a familiar and controlled/confined space like a home, as compared to accomplishing the same in a public setting -- like a school or a church or a theater.

Anyway, the fact that the Bever bros were supposedly expecting a delivery of ammunition which didn't arrive on the day of the murders is interesting, to me. If true, it means the brothers were highly motivated to rid themselves of their family, by any means, for a yet unknown motive. Whatever the motive, the Bever brothers were apparently willing to get bloody barbaric to be family-free as soon as possible.

Why?
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#26
This story makes me think of Andrea Yates. Home schooling the kids. Kids on a tight leash. IDK, it just seems similar.
Devil Money Stealing Aunt Smiley_emoticons_fies
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#27
(07-25-2015, 08:22 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Some great people/parents raise fucked up kids; this I know. Some fucked up people/parents raise equally fucked up kids who parrot their parents' behavior; that's a fact. And, some fucked up people/parents raise great kids who vow from a very early age not to be like their parents and keep that vow until the day they die; I can think of several examples. So, I'm not ready to blame the parents just yet.

I think this is a case of the parents being almost cult like combined with the kid not being mentally stable. Put those two together and you end up with Deliverance Banjo Boy.
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#28
I wonder where his glasses went. Did he outgrow them?
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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#29
No Maggot, I believe they're covered in blood and guts and have been sealed in a plastic bag.
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#30
(07-25-2015, 11:09 PM)Maggot Wrote: I wonder where his glasses went. Did he outgrow them?

By golly, my dear Holmes (Sherlock, not John), I think you might be on to something...

"Our selfish parents wouldn't spring for dope new wire-framed specs -- they had it coming!"

Well hell, we've got nothing more to go on at this point.
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#31
Us Columbos wonder about these things.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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#32
Keep it up Mags (the detective work, I mean) and your Columboism might rank right up there with MS's Rockfishery.

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One of my favorite recurring characters on Rockford Files was Jimmy's old prison pal Gandy, played by Isaac Hayes. Angel was my favorite, but Gandy was a close second.

Anyway........I caught the tale end of an episode on the oldies channel a couple of weeks back; guest-starring Isaac Hayes and Louis Gossett Jr. Every time Gandy called Rockford "Rockfish" it cracked me up. I don't know why; maybe it was his deadpan badass delivery. Or, maybe I was just tired and drunk.
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#33
(07-25-2015, 11:45 PM)Maggot Wrote: Us Columbos wonder about these things.

"Your legacy of being a fucking moron is intact don't panic."~ CN
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#34
Updates / Confirmations

-Robert Bever, 18, and his brother Michael Bever, 16, will face formal charges later this week; the brothers are scheduled to be arraigned on August 3rd. It's been confirmed that both will be charged as adults.

-Oklahoma has the death penalty, but it can not be applied to anyone under 18. So, Robert Bever is eligible for it if the prosecutors choose to charge him with capital crimes. But, the max that Michael Bever could face is life without parole.

-The names of the murdered siblings have been released/confirmed: Daniel Bever -12, Christopher Bever - 7, and Victoria Bever - 5.

-The three children and both of their parents' deaths have been classified as homicide by 'multiple sharp-force injuries'.

-13-year-old daughter Crystal remains in serious condition in the hospital, while her 2-year-old sister Autumn was unharmed and taken into protective custody.

-Police said Robert Bever has given a full confession (I haven't yet seen anything about motive or whether Michael Bever has told police the same story as Robert).

-A coworker of Robert's told the media that the 18-year-old never spoke badly of his siblings and had told her they were close because they were in the house 'all the time'.
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#35
(07-25-2015, 11:59 PM)sally Wrote:
(07-25-2015, 11:45 PM)Maggot Wrote: Us Columbos wonder about these things.

"Your legacy of being a fucking moron is intact don't panic."~ CN

I've always liked HOTD better than you. Twat
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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#36
(07-27-2015, 08:48 PM)Maggot Wrote:
(07-25-2015, 11:59 PM)sally Wrote:
(07-25-2015, 11:45 PM)Maggot Wrote: Us Columbos wonder about these things.

"Your legacy of being a fucking moron is intact don't panic."~ CN

I've always liked HOTD better than you. Twat

If you're going to bump up CN's old threads I'm going to start quoting him more often.
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#37
I might not even quote him, I'll just take his shit and pretend it's me saying it. That way everyone can continue to enjoy his vivacious personality through me.
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#38
I bumped CN's 'Desert Island Discs' thread sal, not Maggot.

There were 3 or 4 guests reading it, so I went through it again. It was actually pretty funny, even the parts that didn't involve CN seriously blowing his stack over Maggot's dreaded dictionary, or CN being forced to accept that desert islands aren't necessarily islands in the desert.

It might be kinda funny if you stole his material and channeled the Spirit Of Ninja (SON) through sally. But, it could get a little weird when you start flirting with aussie or angrily responding to your own posts and threatening to put a beat down on your fat Euro-trash husband -- not as weird as butchering your whole family or anything, but weird nonetheless.
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#39
This is interesting as it pertains to motive and premeditation, but since the "sources close to the investigation" are unnamed, I don't consider it verified fact yet.

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News On 6 has learned from sources close to the investigation that 18-year-old Robert Bever and 16-year-old Michael Bever had planned the attack on their family for some time.

Sources said the brothers wanted to kill their family first because they were considered easier targets, then, they planned to attack other people considered to be harder targets.

They also said 3,000 rounds of ammunition were delivered to the home after the murders and the boys planned to use it to kill so many people they would become more famous than the Columbine shooters.

Both Robert and Michael were booked into jail as adults and will be charged as adults to start the court case; Michael's attorney could later argue for him to be treated less harshly under the law, as either a juvenile or a youthful offender since he is 16 years old, but that is yet to be seen.


http://www.newson6.com/story/29644254/so...in-advance
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#40
(07-27-2015, 10:09 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It might be kinda funny if you stole his material and channeled the Spirit Of Ninja (SON) through sally. But, it could get a little weird when you start flirting with aussie or angrily responding to your own posts and threatening to put a beat down on your fat Euro-trash husband -- not as weird as butchering your whole family or anything, but weird nonetheless.

That guy hates me now anyway, if he gets channelled it could get ugly.
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