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(08-14-2010, 07:21 AM)Duchess Wrote:
So...you advocate tresspassing. Give us a scenerio that would work, Dick. I'd be interested in reading, "what would Dick do".
Dick would rescue the dog before calling animal control, animal cruelty is a crime.
Its everyone's responsibility to prevent crime.
You know it irritates the hell out of me to read people bitching about a circumstance and then being to cowardly to act to stop that circumstance from continuing .
It doesn't just apply to animals it could be gangs and gang violence or hunger it doesn't matter, If it is aggravating enough to bitch about its aggravating enough to do something about.
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(08-15-2010, 02:49 PM)IMaDick Wrote: (08-14-2010, 07:21 AM)Duchess Wrote:
So...you advocate tresspassing. Give us a scenerio that would work, Dick. I'd be interested in reading, "what would Dick do".
Dick would rescue the dog before calling animal control, animal cruelty is a crime.
Its everyone's responsibility to prevent crime.
You know it irritates the hell out of me to read people bitching about a circumstance and then being to cowardly to act to stop that circumstance from continuing .
It doesn't just apply to animals it could be gangs and gang violence or hunger it doesn't matter, If it is aggravating enough to bitch about its aggravating enough to do something about.
So, you're happy to be sued for (aggravated?) trespass, stealing an animal and God knows what else? There are so many stories of people doing what used to be called common-sense (and I applaud you for yours) only to be hanged by this PC country we each live in?
It is not everyone's resp to prevent crime - directly. In fact, you can proscuted for such an act.
And when did you last stand up to a gang, then, Dick?
I don't know what the moon's phase is today, Dick, but you are talking utter shit today - with a modicum of the brilliance we are used to seeing from you. I hope you take or don't take the stuff that keeps you on the sane side and thank God you don't live near me cos I'd be throwing a cow's thigh-bone at your fat head for you to chew on. 
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(08-15-2010, 02:58 PM)God Wrote: (08-15-2010, 02:49 PM)IMaDick Wrote: (08-14-2010, 07:21 AM)Duchess Wrote:
So...you advocate tresspassing. Give us a scenerio that would work, Dick. I'd be interested in reading, "what would Dick do".
Dick would rescue the dog before calling animal control, animal cruelty is a crime.
Its everyone's responsibility to prevent crime.
You know it irritates the hell out of me to read people bitching about a circumstance and then being to cowardly to act to stop that circumstance from continuing .
It doesn't just apply to animals it could be gangs and gang violence or hunger it doesn't matter, If it is aggravating enough to bitch about its aggravating enough to do something about.
So, you're happy to be sued for (aggravated?) trespass, stealing an animal and God knows what else? There are so many stories of people doing what used to be called common-sense (and I applaud you for yours) only to be hanged by this PC country we each live in?
It is not everyone's resp to prevent crime - directly. In fact, you can proscuted for such an act.
And when did you last stand up to a gang, then, Dick?
I don't know what the moon's phase is today, Dick, but you are talking utter shit today - with a modicum of the brilliance we are used to seeing from you. I hope you take or don't take the stuff that keeps you on the sane side and thank God you don't live near me cos I'd be throwing a cow's thigh-bone at your fat head for you to chew on.
And you're obviously happy to remain ignorant, there is not trespass when you are stopping or preventing a crime from occuring.
You see this is the problem with society today, fear is the prevailing factor for inactivity and most of the reason we have a declining society where crime is tolerated by the masses.
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Oh, By the way, the things I have seen and some of the things I have had to deal with would make a pussy like you puke their guts out.
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That's a good topic, why don't people want to get involved. I firmly believe that no good deed goes unpunished. I don't like feeling like that but, it is what it is.
(08-15-2010, 03:11 PM)IMaDick Wrote: And you're obviously happy to remain ignorant, there is not trespass when you are stopping or preventing a crime from occuring.
You see this is the problem with society today, fear is the prevailing factor for inactivity and most of the reason we have a declining society where crime is tolerated by the masses.
You're deliberately fanning the fuck-wit flames with the stupidity of your first sentence and you're right about the second.
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I kidnapped a dog once... Yeah really!!!
It was being beaten every day of It's life. Neighbours heard It screaming every day and trying to get away.
We called the authorities but some-times they need actual evidence and a warrant to remove the dog... I was not going to wait around them even If It was just another week.
We watched the dog for a few days and he was being left out In the garden for hours In the sun with no water but not chained.
Myself and three other got an estate car.... backed the car right up to the garden gate, called In over, threw It In the back of the car and took off.
That dog is now In another county with a loving new owner.... Never heard a thing about It after..
Of course America had been discovered earlier. It was hushed up.
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Good for you, Oscar !
We have to be their voice, they don't have one.
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http://www.popcenter.org/library/crimepr...uction.pdf
You see ,the problem does lay in ignorance, read the above if you dare, do what any decent person would do if you can get past the fear of the criminal.
This country was founded on self preservation and in turn a collective preservation of tranquility, that concept has never gone away in fact it has grown through the use of civil ordinance's and codes which wait to be used by the people.
no one has to sit and watch a crime happen, nor are they expected to.
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Lets approach this from a different angle.
Post your definition of justice.
Dictionary definitions are not what is being asked for.
in your words from your own mind what does justice mean?
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Right, ImaDick, I have read it - all 18 pages of it. Thank you for not linking in an encyclopaedia,
although I'm sure you will find one soon.
I'm seriously trying not to rubbish what you say - and I understand why you are saying what you do.
There is a gulf of difference between research, theory and what happens on the street: the book you
linked to espouses all manner of theory and what should happen. Let me tell you, if a cop, who has targets
to meet can book you for a felony they will, especially if they can also book for the felony you were trying to stop.
If you honestly think that doesn't happen, then you either live in a wonderful place or you live with your eyes and ears shut tight.
I'm logging off for a while - I'm off to get a very big bottle of wine!
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(08-15-2010, 03:38 PM)IMaDick Wrote: in your words from your own mind what does justice mean?
I know you're not talking to me but, I'd like to answer anyway.
Justice means getting what is deserved...Whether that be in a nice way or in a bad way...Simply put, one getting what one deserves.
Opinions from all are welcome - no discussion on Mock is exclusive.
What is Justice? This is what I'd like Justice to be.
Justice is not cast in iron. Justice is equal, compassionate and fair regardless of culture.
Justice is reported and punishment is done in private.
Justice takes into account the changing circumstances of all parties involved:
the victim that gets better as well as worse; the perp that adopts more socially-acceptable behaviour or not.
Justice allows those that would be lynched a way out; the baying mob is not always right.
Justice allows those who do not wish to follow our laws (serious, repeat offenders) a chance to live somewhere else - permanently.
Justice accepts that it can be wrong itself but does not take lightly those that abuse its processes, including the lawmakers and judiciary as well as the common people.
Justice does not accept the lives of those it incarcerates, only to subject them to a life of gang-warfare, raping, subsistence living and no real chance to rehabilitate.
Justice does not brutalise the young and vulnerable.
Apparently the best judicial systems are in Holland and Brussels, if one accepts the re-offending rates, etc that were considered for the decision. Having been in both countries, I'm tempted to agree. They have the lowest rates of imprisonment in the world.
What's your idea of Justice, then?
Would you believe I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about Justice..!
Being in a dreamy state, it took on a bit of a surreal turn; Justice is also Karma - for me at least.
There have been times in my life when I have been dealt a bad hand through no fault of my own,
and then I discover that something bad I had wished upon them came true. We're not talking specific
bad shit, just vague bad stuff. Now I realise that by chance any of these bad things can happen to
me or my detractors but the Karma was that I got to know about it. Let me give you some examples:
a guy I know was just using this genuinely backward woman for sex and she'd had a kid by another man.
The kid was 7 years old when this guy told the kid he was a strange, weird, fucked up little boy and that
really threw the kid out who could understand what this guy was saying. The guy's delight came when the
kid told his mother but she refused to believe him, with her hoping that this misplaced allegiance would
secure a relationship with the guy. Roll forward a few years later and the guy had two retards of his very own
and spends very little time at home because he cannot bear to acknowledge that he is father to special-needs
children. Another example, but quicker this time, was a govt official guy who made some unofficial comments
on a tenants computer record which directly affected the whole family, kids and all. Only a few months later
his daughter gave birth with much celebration and arrogance from the guy and the baby died within 3 days.
There are other examples but those are the recent ones.
So, there's two kinds of Justice, the social kind which is in my post before this and the Cosmic-Karma kind of Justice,
posted here.
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(08-15-2010, 03:29 PM)Duchess Wrote:
Good for you, Oscar !
We have to be their voice, they don't have one. I do my bit Duchess. I thought you may be Interested In the E Mail I got today
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