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[IMaDick]

How about if you demonstrate the accuracy of your words?

[rothschild]

You really believe that Bush sent forces to Iraq because he had a hardon for freedom?

I thought you were a bit smarter than that but I guess not.

Does the reason matter to the soldier? does the soldier get to say fuck you your motives are screwed?

eventually you may learn to separate politics from the true cost of war.

People of all politics died, people of all finacial backgrounds died, and people of all catagories of humanity died.

does it matter what Bush was after? does it matter why congress approved the action? does it matter even a little bit?

The men and women that went to war went for the ideal of freedom and liberty, that's just the way it is and has always been.

Perhaps you are a little too comfortable with your own freedom?

If the reason doesn't matter to the soldier then he/she cannot honestly claim to be serving freedom and liberty.

[IMaDick]

America has a well established history of foreign intervention for the sake of worldly gain, so one needn't be a cabinet member to grasp the motivations that underlie the actions of today's politicians.

There is great truth in the saying that "good people finish last".

As for Obama, he's a political creature who understands the rules of the game well enough to know that he is greatly limited in the degree to which he can deviate from the established order, so naturally he upholds the status quo.

Really, what country do we still occupy from world war 2? we didn't get paid to fight in Korea,Vietnam or Iraq.

what was our net gain?

By the way obama's a pussy.

[IMaDick]

You really believe that Bush sent forces to Iraq because he had a hardon for freedom?

I thought you were a bit smarter than that but I guess not.

Does the reason matter to the soldier? does the soldier get to say fuck you your motives are screwed?

eventually you may learn to separate politics from the true cost of war.

People of all politics died, people of all finacial backgrounds died, and people of all catagories of humanity died.

does it matter what Bush was after? does it matter why congress approved the action? does it matter even a little bit?

The men and women that went to war went for the ideal of freedom and liberty, that's just the way it is and has always been.

Perhaps you are a little too comfortable with your own freedom?

If the reason doesn't matter to the soldier then he/she cannot honestly claim to be serving freedom and liberty.

Bullshit, the political reason makes no difference to the soldier, they don't get to question orders.

They fight for the principles of freedom and liberty.

[rothschild]

How about if you demonstrate the accuracy of your words?

Right after you demonstrate that you are sufficiently honest enough to place reason above your personal beliefs.

[rothschild]

The irony. If you believe in a democracy, then we (the collective "we") have to take some responsibility for those that we vote in to power (including *gasp* Bush). Pesky hanging chads.

An understatement, but nevertheless highly deserving of recognition.

[IMaDick]

How about if you demonstrate the accuracy of your words?

Right after you demonstrate that you are sufficiently honest enough to place reason above your personal beliefs.

Challenge your own integrity douche bag, I have no axe to grind unless you think that having family in every war this country has ever fought, having brothers and uncles killed in the fight for freedom and liberty to make me biased in anyway then you have no cause to challenge mine.

Until you show that you're not a political hack with an axe to grind against the republicans then nothing you have to say would or could convince me that our soldiers are anything but patriots who fight for freedom and liberty no matter the political ends of their service to this country.

If this doesn't appear honest then you may need to re evaluate your definition of honesty.

[rothschild]

Right after you demonstrate that you are sufficiently honest enough to place reason above your personal beliefs.

Challenge your own integrity douche bag, I have no axe to grind unless you think that having family in every war this country has ever fought, having brothers and uncles killed in the fight for freedom and liberty to make me biased in anyway then you have no cause to challenge mine.

Until you show that you're not a political hack with an axe to grind against the republicans then nothing you have to say would or could convince me that our soldiers are anything but patriots who fight for freedom and liberty no matter the political ends of their service to this country.

If this doesn't appear honest then you may need to re evaluate your definition of honesty.

My posts on this board show that quite plainly. That you fail to acknowledge it is yet another example of your disdain for reason.

[IMaDick]

And your lack of a valid response shows the difference between a blood investment in the freedom that this country enjoys and the bullshit side line rhetoric of a political hack.

[shitstorm]

Really, what country do we still occupy from world war 2? we didn't get paid to fight in Korea,Vietnam or Iraq.

what was our net gain?

The military-industrial complex make out, Dick, and all of the politicos they pay off. You must know there are huge profits to made in war, and We the People pick up the tab (in blood and money).

Does the reason matter to the soldier? does the soldier get to say fuck you your motives are screwed?

eventually you may learn to separate politics from the true cost of war.

People of all politics died, people of all finacial backgrounds died, and people of all catagories of humanity died.

No banksters or their kids died and they are the ones who make it all possible.

does it matter what Bush was after? does it matter why congress approved the action? does it matter even a little bit?

Yes, the truth matters, always. The morality and Constitutionality of it aside, being an interventionist empire will destroy us.

The men and women that went to war went for the ideal of freedom and liberty, that's just the way it is and has always been.

That doesn't mean that the people aren't lied to and manipulated. Just because someone believes they're fighting for "freedom" doesn't make it true. It means they're true believers. Those who want to send them to war, for their own profit, have plenty of motivation to deceive us.

Perhaps you are a little too comfortable with your own freedom?

Seriously, Dick, WTF is that supposed to mean? It sounds downright Orwellian - like we're all supposed to sit down, shut up, drink the Kool Aid and follow blindly. That isn't freedom.

One of the real tragedies of lies and war is that for those who fight, and their families, if the truth be known that it was NOT for freedom, but for something like the profits of corporations, there is no way in hell they want to face that. Who wants think that a son or a brother or a husband died for a lie? Most people do not want to go there, with the exception of many of the soldiers who went to Vietnam. TPTB make goddamn sure that that the people they use are invested in the lie.

Wanting the truth and questioning the motivations of power does not equate to not caring for soldiers.

[shitstorm]

And your lack of a valid response shows the difference between a blood investment in the freedom that this country enjoys and the bullshit side line rhetoric of a political hack.

The poster, Rothschild, doesn't strike me as a Democrat, Dick. Not even close. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

[Duchess]

What exactly does it mean to "support our soldiers"?

It means I don't run around making disparaging comments about what they are doing. I don't talk about them being killed & maimed for absolutely nothing. I don't laugh in someone's face when I'm told they are there fighting for my freedom when the reality is, I was born free, I'll die free and I'll be free all those years in between, no one is fighting for my freedom, they are fighting for whatever the agenda is this week.

[Duchess]

You really believe that Bush sent forces to Iraq because he had a hardon for freedom?

Hahaha! Now THAT'S funny!

[Duchess]

Unless you are a cabinet member, you probably don't know why the troops were sent and why they remain.

Do you agree with that? Do you think it's okay for people to sacrifice themselves and/or their loved ones for unknown reasons? Is it alright for the powers that be to send people off to war for a reason only they know?

[Duchess]

Does the reason matter to the soldier?

It sure as hell should. Only a moron would be willing to risk life & limb for a fuckin' mystery.

[Duchess]

blood investment in the freedom

Stop saying they are fighting for my freedom, they aren't.

[Cynical Ninja]

Really, what country do we still occupy from world war 2? we didn't get paid to fight in Korea,Vietnam or Iraq.

what was our net gain?

The military-industrial complex make out, Dick, and all of the politicos they pay off. You must know there are huge profits to made in war, and We the People pick up the tab (in blood and money).

Does the reason matter to the soldier? does the soldier get to say fuck you your motives are screwed?

eventually you may learn to separate politics from the true cost of war.

People of all politics died, people of all finacial backgrounds died, and people of all catagories of humanity died.

No banksters or their kids died and they are the ones who make it all possible.

does it matter what Bush was after? does it matter why congress approved the action? does it matter even a little bit?

Yes, the truth matters, always. The morality and Constitutionality of it aside, being an interventionist empire will destroy us.

The men and women that went to war went for the ideal of freedom and liberty, that's just the way it is and has always been.

That doesn't mean that the people aren't lied to and manipulated. Just because someone believes they're fighting for "freedom" doesn't make it true. It means they're true believers. Those who want to send them to war, for their own profit, have plenty of motivation to deceive us.

Perhaps you are a little too comfortable with your own freedom?

Seriously, Dick, WTF is that supposed to mean? It sounds downright Orwellian - like we're all supposed to sit down, shut up, drink the Kool Aid and follow blindly. That isn't freedom.

One of the real tragedies of lies and war is that for those who fight, and their families, if the truth be known that it was NOT for freedom, but for something like the profits of corporations, there is no way in hell they want to face that. Who wants think that a son or a brother or a husband died for a lie? Most people do not want to go there, with the exception of many of the soldiers who went to Vietnam. TPTB make goddamn sure that that the people they use are invested in the lie.

Wanting the truth and questioning the motivations of power does not equate to not caring for soldiers.

Try talking sense more often, it suits you better than regurgitating conspiracy balls.

[Cynical Ninja]

Challenge your own integrity douche bag, I have no axe to grind unless you think that having family in every war this country has ever fought, having brothers and uncles killed in the fight for freedom and liberty to make me biased in anyway then you have no cause to challenge mine.

Stop living vicariously through the actions of family members.

Ring any bells fuckhole?

[Duchess]

Wanting the truth and questioning the motivations of power does not equate to not caring for soldiers.

No, it doesn't but there will be people who will say HOW DARE YOU, you'll be called unpatriotic & labeled a Liberal. Same shit, different day.

[Cracker]

blood investment in the freedom

Stop saying they are fighting for my freedom, they aren't.

Yes, they are, Duchess. You ask any man on the ground and that's what they will say. The politicians may not care much for your freedom, but those boys do.

To say they aren't is utter disrespect. I think "freedom" translates more to safety nowadays, but that's why they do what they do. Take a minute next time you see one at the airport and ask him/her.

Political bullshit turns decent people into assholes.