EX LAPD COP Christopher Dorner

[HarleyGuy]

I was speaking of reality.......not what if's.

[Sphincter Cop]

SC, why were the tips of the bullets sawed off?
Thanks.

One of my officer's (ex-military) told me the ballistic coefficient of the heads are equalized when cut a particular way. Not sure if that answers the question, but that was the discussion.

[HairOfTheDog]

ETA..They have also posted his court documents on the lawsuit against LAPD

Thanks JsMom. All the docs can be found here:
http://www.myfoxla.com/story/21070897/ch...g-the-lapd

It's a lot of reading, but all of the legal docs are consistent.

-Dorner came back from military tour and requested LAPD re-training, which he was granted.
-He and the female training officer responded to a call from a hotel regarding an impaired man causing a disturbance.
-Dorner was walking the man to the patrol car when the man suddenly went into a violent outburst.
-The two men struggled and wound up on the ground, in some bushes.
-The training officer told the man to stop resisting or she'd have to use the taser; meanwhile Dorner's still scuffling with the man.
-The man kept fighting so the training officer tased him twice.
-The man stopped resisting, was helped up, handcuffed and arrested/processed without issue.
-The suspect had slight injuries on his face, consistent with a scuffle in the bushes. He did not mention anything about being kicked when interviewed at the police station.
-In the arrest and force report (which the training officer finished because Dorner was taking a long time), there is no mention of kicking the man. Dorner signed it. Dorner never mentioned kicking until 2 weeks later.
-In a performance evaluation 2 weeks after the incident, the training officer noted that Dorner was struggling to integrate and slow in filing reports; she told him that his performance needed improvement to maintain his "satisfactory" status.
-At that point, Dorner went to a higher ranking officer, cried, and told him about the supposed kicking incident / excessive force allegation.

In court, a hotel witness's testimony was consistent with the training officer's story. The suspect said that he'd been clubbed by an "almost black" officer (the training officer is a light-haired Caucasian and no club was used). The only witness supporting Dorner's version of events was the suspect's father who said that his son told him he'd been kicked, but that wasn't corroborated. Dorner's termination was upheld by the original judge and later again by the appellate judge.

A couple of details from various news sources yesterday:
-Dorner's mother owns property in ArrowBear (area near where his burnt out truck was found)
-Dorner's ex-wife (to whom he was married for one month) is an undercover police officer
-Rookie Dorner had filed complaints against other officers accusing them of racism during his short tenure. In one, he claimed that his locker room bag had been urinated upon. The bag was tested and contained no traces of urine.

I think Dorner was a disturbed full-of-shit narcissist and had been a ticking time bomb behind a big smile for a very long time. Hoping today is the day that he gets stopped in his tracks.

[username]

Thanks for that summary, HotD. Yep, it sounds like he was full of shit. So much for clearing his name.

[HairOfTheDog]

Thanks for that summary, HotD. Yep, it sounds like he was full of shit. So much for clearing his name.

It's amazing (but not, I guess) that he's amassed a wave of followers hailing him as some kind of hero; exactly what he wants. He's just a very unstable killer, imo.

The LAPD shooting up those two cars is really disturbing. They're damn lucky nobody was seriously injured or killed. Dorner really had them on edge and acting foolishly. No excuse for those shootings.

I think what LAPD really needs to evaluate is its high alert response protocols, along with its psychological screening of candidates.

[Sphincter Cop]

The LAPD shooting up those two cars is really disturbing. They're damn lucky nobody was seriously injured or killed. Dorner really had them on edge and acting foolishly. No excuse for those shootings.

I think what LAPD really needs to evaluate is its high alert response protocols, along with its psychological screening of candidates.

The LAPD is one of the most publicly scrutinized and transparent law enforcement organizations in the United States. The policies regarding their use of force continuum have the highest standards applied to any department since 1991. There is no doubt that this department will utilize and apply the strictest of tactics in attempting to ascertain why the officers mistakenly “shot up” the wrong truck. I cannot imagine the incredible tension these officers are faced with nightly while Dorner is still roaming the streets unaccounted for. This doesn’t justify their actions, but it certainly plays a part in it. When Andrew Cunanan was running around South Beach, you could tell a number of sisters/brothers in uniform were on edge. Then again, the rampant media reports and public commentary didn’t help either. Especially, when they try to second guess everything we were doing. It doesn't help and the media can be true fucktards.

I am all for psychological testing for the initial entrance into an academy or department. I thought ours was odd. There were like 200 questions based on yes/no or true/false. Then you sit down with a psychologist to go over your results. I assume this conversation with them was to get clarification on particular answers or determine where your mind was. I passed and so did LC, HA!! Anyway, you cannot give any kind of test to truly determine if someone is going to end up bonkers while on the force. That will fall on his/her fellow officers to report such odd behavior to their superiors (and lets hope they do that).

Chris Dorner Charges: Wanted Ex-Los Angeles Police Officer Charged With Murder, Attempted Murder

By GILLIAN FLACCUS and TAMI ABDOLLAH ~ Associated Press

A fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer was charged Monday with murdering a Riverside police officer and special circumstances that could bring the death penalty.

Christopher Dorner was also charged with the attempted murder of another Riverside officer and two Los Angeles Police Department officers, Riverside County District Attorney Paul Zellerbach said.

The LAPD officers and the Riverside officers were fired on in two separate shootings early Thursday after Dorner became the target of a manhunt suspected of killing a former LAPD captain's daughter and her fiance the previous weekend. "By both his words and conduct, he has made very clear to us that every law enforcement officer in Southern California is in danger of being shot and killed," Zellerbach said.

Authorities obtained a no-bail arrest warrant, which allows Dorner to be apprehended anywhere, Zellerbach said.

Southern California authorities were investigating more than 600 tips after offering a $1 million reward for information leading to Dorner's arrest.
The Story

[JsMom]

Police records have raised the possibility that there is a legitimate grievance behind Christopher Dorner's homicidal vendetta against the Los Angeles police department.

HUMMMM? Just something I stumbled upon....Thoughts?

Link~
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb...ance-judge

[Sphincter Cop]

HUMMMM? Just something I stumbled upon....Thoughts?

Link~
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb...ance-judge

Here's how you approach this. You hire an attorney and file a federal/local lawsuit. Blast the media with your opinion or story.

You don't kill people to make your point or say that it's your only avenue at redemption.

[JsMom]

Search for fugitive ex-LA cop Christopher Dorner slows border traffic



SAN DIEGO -- U.S. border inspectors are warning of unusually heavy traffic at California border crossings into Mexico amid the search for a fugitive ex-police officer wanted in the slayings of three people.
Customs and Border Protection said Monday that it has joined efforts to find 33-year-old Christopher Dorner in Southern California. Heightened vehicle inspections are producing delays at San Diego's San Ysidro border crossing into Tijuana.

Baja California state police agents assigned to search for American fugitives have been given photographs of Dorner. International liaison Alfredo Arenas says the Mexican agents have been warned to consider the suspect armed and extremely dangerous.

Link~
http://www.presstelegram.com/breakingnew...rner-slows

[JsMom]

HUMMMM? Just something I stumbled upon....Thoughts?

Link~
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb...ance-judge

Here's how you approach this. You hire an attorney and file a federal/local lawsuit. Blast the media with your opinion or story.

You don't kill people to make your point or say that it's your only avenue at redemption.

My feelings exactly. I hope they catch his ass soon.

[HairOfTheDog]

The LAPD shooting up those two cars is really disturbing. They're damn lucky nobody was seriously injured or killed. Dorner really had them on edge and acting foolishly. No excuse for those shootings.

I think what LAPD really needs to evaluate is its high alert response protocols, along with its psychological screening of candidates.

The LAPD is one of the most publicly scrutinized and transparent law enforcement organizations in the United States. The policies regarding their use of force continuum have the highest standards applied to any department since 1991. There is no doubt that this department will utilize and apply the strictest of tactics in attempting to ascertain why the officers mistakenly “shot up” the wrong truck. I cannot imagine the incredible tension these officers are faced with nightly while Dorner is still roaming the streets unaccounted for. This doesn’t justify their actions, but it certainly plays a part in it. When Andrew Cunanan was running around South Beach, you could tell a number of sisters/brothers in uniform were on edge. Then again, the rampant media reports and public commentary didn’t help either. Especially, when they try to second guess everything we were doing. It doesn't help and the media can be true fucktards.

I am all for psychological testing for the initial entrance into an academy or department. I thought ours was odd. There were like 200 questions based on yes/no or true/false. Then you sit down with a psychologist to go over your results. I assume this conversation with them was to get clarification on particular answers or determine where your mind was. I passed and so did LC, HA!! Anyway, you cannot give any kind of test to truly determine if someone is going to end up bonkers while on the force. That will fall on his/her fellow officers to report such odd behavior to their superiors (and lets hope they do that).

Thanks SC - good to get LE input. I agree with you; the LAPD has made drastic improvements since the King beating and really transformed itself. It's not perfect, but very proactive in addressing internal issues/complaints. The force has also diversified quite a bit and is largely supported by the community, as supported by the stats in the linked article that I read last year. Good piece.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/us/13l...d=all&_r=1&

I've read Dorner's manifesto and each of the published legal/board docs related to his complaint. They all lead me to believe that the LAPD handled the case properly and Dorner was terminated because evidence and witnesses didn't support his claims. The claims of the training officer were deemed more credible based on fair evaluation and investigations/hearings that dragged out 4 years. The force, incidentally, is less than 20% female and less than 40% white these days; the white female training officer was the minority in the case. Doesn't appear there was any discrimination involved in the rulings, imo.

Shooting 40 bullets into two trucks of innocent civilians just ain't good, no matter how you look at it. I do understand the pressure and scrutiny that the PD is under; it's just very fortunate that there were no casualties. I too trust that those shootings will be reviewed fully and steps will be taken to minimize the chances of it happening again in a high alert situation. I also hope that the psychological eval process is reviewed. While I agree that no test will detect/weed-out every potential threat, it's possible that Dorner's profile and actions can be used to gain insight into some new areas of focus during the testing/screening. Hate to think that there will be more Dorners popping outta the woodwork, but you never know.

[HairOfTheDog]

This story is developing; not confirmed whether or not Dorner has been caught. Unconfirmed reports also indicate 2 officers were shot.

snipped:
Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, a law enforcement source told The Times.

The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.

Meanwhile, an associate of Dorner was being tracked by investigators, according to court records that suggest Dorner may have received help as he eluded a massive law enforcement dragnet.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/20...-bear.html

[Duchess]

The Associated Press is reporting it too.

[Duchess]

A person believed to be the fugitive ex-Los Angeles cop sought in three killings exchanged gunfire with authorities in the San Bernardino Mountains on Tuesday, a law enforcement official said on condition of anonymity.

The officer requested anonymity because the officer was not authorized to speak publicly about the ongoing investigation.

It's believed Christopher Dorner committed a residential burglary of a cabin where a couple was tied up, the officer told The Associated Press.

One of the people was able to get away and make a call.

Authorities responded to the location and gave chase when the burglar fled in a stolen car. Gunfire was exchanged.

The area is in the Big Bear region where a search for Dorner has been under way since his pickup truck was found there Thursday.

A KCAL-TV reporter in the Angelus Oaks area along Highway 38 reported gunfire in his vicinity.

The noise of the gunbattle was broadcast by the station, whose reporter suddenly found himself near the fight. Someone could be heard yelling at the reporter to get out of the area.

Road blocks are up around Big Bear.

San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said a stolen vehicle report from a residence was received at 12:20 p.m.

"The reporting party identified the suspect as looking like Christopher Dorner but that has not been confirmed," Miller said.

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[HarleyGuy]

Watching live feed on ABC7.com

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=8990289

[JsMom]

! I'm watching it live on CNN.

[ramseycat]

I'm watching CNN as well.

And now some other dude has a weapon at Illinois State. WTF? No where is safe.

Update: Illinois suspect is now in custody.

[Duchess]

LEO have requested media stop showing a live feed, CNN complied, I don't know if the others have or not.

[ramseycat]

They are going to take this guy out. That's why no live feed

[Duchess]

They better determine whether he has hostages first.