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RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 06:26 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? That is how the legal system works in our country, is it not?
That's how our justice/legal system is designed to work, F.U., but internet speculation regarding these cases is a different story.
People are free here to convict or absolve Zimmerman based on their varying interpretations of the facts/evidence known to the public. It's only opinion and we're obviously not serving roles in the legal system (or sworn jurors) in this case. Free speech.
Having said that, I'm waiting for the evidence to be presented at trial before making a decision in this case as well.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 06:26 AM)F.U. Dont ask again Wrote: It is hard to say if the crime stats are exaggerated. Some of the residents having no idea about the number of burglaries tells us nothing about the actual number of crimes. Police reports would be a more accurate way to tell.
The fact that you cannot imagine questioning a black kid walking down the street, at night, in the rain does not mean that Z should not question it.The fact that he was neighborhood watch means he should have questioned a stranger to his neighborhood, in that situation. Now weather or not he dealt with it correctly [by following him on foot for that long, not notifying T he was a NW] that is another story.
Exercising ones right to carry a weapon for personal defense [if they hold a permit to do so], in my opinion, should not be infringed on, period. So I don't see why a person should be asked/told to disarm when stepping into a roll such as NW. Why is his ability to defend himself less important when he is acting as a NW? Should he not be allowed to defend himself in the event he spots someone in the process of stealing the neighbors auto or breaking into a neighbors home and that thief in turn should spot him, be armed and decide to"fix" the fact that there is a eye witness ? One never knows when a life threatening situation will arise and if they are legal to carry a firearm for defense they should be allowed to do so.
So because Z's friend was a firearms enthusiast that makes Z guilty by association? I have friends that are doctors/nurses, lawyers and even drug dealers, that don't make them my heroes, just my friends.
I refuse to convict Z until all the facts are out, then and only then will I make a decision on his guilt. However it seams as though most people have already convicted Z because of what the media has spoon fed them about this case. What happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? That is how the legal system works in our country, is it not?
Very eloquent, F.U.
While most here are clamoring for Z to be strung up on a lamppost, you have stated your case without name calling and sound reasoning.
What a nice, fresh approach.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:09 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: What a nice, fresh approach.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:13 AM)Duchess Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:09 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: What a nice, fresh approach.
I happen to like this version of F.U.
He's Mock's voice of reason.
Even during the gun-control debate, he's been very level-headed.
Edit: I don't get to say 'nice, fresh approach' very often. It felt good.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:18 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I happen to like this version of F.U.
This is the only version of him I know.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - sally - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:09 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: What a nice, fresh approach.
Yes indeed, very nice and fresh. The complete opposite of you saying that T was a thug who deserved it and making up your own ridiculous accounts of what happened that night.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:24 AM)sally Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:09 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: What a nice, fresh approach.
Yes indeed, very nice and fresh. The complete opposite of you saying that T was a thug who deserved it and making up your own ridiculous accounts of what happened that night.
I still stand by my original statement that T attacked him without provocation.
And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
Sue me.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - sally - 06-04-2013
NW does not mean that you can follow black kids walking down the street and then get out of your car and start chasing them on foot, and then if that's not already enough you don't even tell them you're NW. I can't see how you don't consider that provocation, I sure as hell would if someone did that to me.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:38 AM)sally Wrote: NW does not mean that you can follow black kids walking down the street and then get out of your car and start chasing them on foot, and then if that's not already enough not even tell them you're NW. I can't see how you don't consider that provocation, I sure as hell would if someone did that to me.
This ^^^ is why a jury is made up of 12 people, all with differing opinions.
I'm actually very interested to see how this turns out.
The point I'll give you is this: Trayvon is not able to present his side of the story and that makes me a little uncomfortable.
If Zimmerman has fabricated his entire story and that can be proven, send his pudgy ass to prison.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:24 AM)sally Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:09 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: What a nice, fresh approach.
Yes indeed, very nice and fresh. The complete opposite of you saying that T was a thug who deserved it and making up your own ridiculous accounts of what happened that night.
I still stand by my original statement that T attacked him without provocation.
And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
Sue me.
No, your original statement was that Z was jumped or bumrushed by T, against what George himself said.
When that was pointed out to you again, your new original statement became "sucker punched".
Stringing up Zimmerman based on opinions about what's been presented, or blaming the dead kid because you could foresee him becoming a criminal had he lived. Nobody's getting sued for either position.
At least you know better than to claim yourself a voice of reason.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I still stand by my original statement that T attacked him without provocation.
Goddamn.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
This makes me want to nail you right square in the balls.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - sally - 06-04-2013
Could you imagine having to live with that guy, Jesus Christ.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Adub - 06-04-2013
Why didn't George just drive to the back gate? Why, why, why? That is what he told dispatch that the kid was running for. Trying to get away. And just what was the kid trying to get away from?
And considering that George is a big fat liar, did he actually see the kid run? Maybe George just drove around the corner at the clubhouse, didn't see the kid and assumed he ran. Maybe Trayvon was still standing at the mail boxes. While fat ass was getting out of his vehicle to cut him off before he made it to the back gate.
For damn sure Trayvon didn't make it to the "T" in the timeframe that George says on the NE911 call. The distance is like two football fields. And Trayvon leisurely skipped along, covering 500 + feet in less than 30 seconds?
Something is seriously wrong with George's account. Just does not add up.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:54 AM)sally Wrote: Could you imagine having to live with that guy, Jesus Christ.
Good God almighty. NO! Fuck no.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
This makes me want to nail you right square in the balls.
That's truly funny that this irritates you!
Check out what I'm known as: Mr. Insightful.
Do I think all black kids are on their way to a life of crime? Hardly.
However, I feel I've seen what I need to see in order to speculate on young Mr. Martin.
I've never once, however, said he 'deserved' what he got, only that he should've been more careful in who he decided to bumrush.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Adub - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:42 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This ^^^ is why a jury is made up of 12 people, all with differing opinions.
George will have a jury of 6.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: I still stand by my original statement that T attacked him without provocation.
And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
Then you sir are a braindead moron who seems unwilling or unable to process some of the information revealed in this thread.
If you are following me when I am walking along minding my own business and it gets to the point where I feel the need to confront you and ask “why are you following me?” YOU have clearly provoked ME into doing so because of YOUR suspicious actions.
The confrontation that led to the shooting was zimmermans fault.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Adub - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:57 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:(06-04-2013, 10:30 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: And I still think that Trayvon Martin was on his way to a life of crime.
This makes me want to nail you right square in the balls.
That's truly funny that this irritates you!
Check out what I'm known as: Mr. Insightful.
Do I think all black kids are on their way to a life of crime? Hardly.
However, I feel I've seen what I need to see in order to speculate on young Mr. Martin.
I've never once, however, said he 'deserved' what he got, only that he should've been more careful in who he decided to bumrush.
But, you are blaming the victim.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 06-04-2013
(06-04-2013, 10:57 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote: That's truly funny that this irritates you!
Check out what I'm known as: Mr. Insightful.
Do I think all black kids are on their way to a life of crime? Hardly.
However, I feel I've seen what I need to see in order to speculate on young Mr. Martin.
I've never once, however, said he 'deserved' what he got, only that he should've been more careful in who he decided to bumrush.
You presented your statement in such a way as to indicate he deserved what he got.
What exactly did you see that makes you believe he was headed for a life of crime? I look forward to reading your reply.
T had a right to be where he was, George did not have a right to follow him even if he was doing so as NW. He didn't & you can't claim he did given it's a NW rule.