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RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
I had expected to hear more from Adub. She has been so vocal for the past year that I thought she would be expressing her opinions daily but she's been amazingly quiet.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
Judge Nelson will not allow the computer animation to be introduced into evidence.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 08:47 AM)Duchess Wrote:
I had expected to hear more from Adub. She has been so vocal for the past year that I thought she would be expressing her opinions daily but she's been amazingly quiet.
I think she's too busy seething to post.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 09:33 AM)Duchess Wrote:
Judge Nelson will not allow the computer animation to be introduced into evidence.
That's good; it was purely speculative. IMO.
Judge Nelson also denied the defense's motion to introduce some of Trayvon Martin's texts as exhibits.
Dennis Root is a "Use of Force" expert who's being proffered now.
Earlier this week, Nelson ruled that he won't be able to testify as to his opinion on whether Zimmerman was justified in killing Trayvon Martin or not.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
Jeezus. They are going on & on about what a wimp George was, unfit even though he'd been going to the gym for quite some time, not an athlete at all, incapable of defending himself, etc, whereas T was young, fit & athletic with not one word about him only being 3 wks into his 17th year. Blah, blah, fuckin' blah.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 07-10-2013
George being a wimp/pussy is a big piece of the defense's strategy.
Whether he was standing his ground or simply not physically competent to escape an altercation that he started, Trayvon Martin wouldn't let up when George was screaming.
Trayvon Martin's actions put George in fear of great bodily harm or death.
That's the crux of the defense's claims/case. They're covering the self defense bases on all fronts. That's what I think O'Mara is doing anyway.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 07-10-2013
I can't believe fatboy might get off because of what a fucking coward and wimp he is.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 07-10-2013
If I was the prosecution everytime I mentioned T's name I would preface it with “unarmed teenager” as in the unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - BlueTiki - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 10:56 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Trayvon Martin's actions put George in fear of great bodily harm or death.
That's the crux of the defense's claims/case. They're covering the self defense bases on all fronts. That's what I think O'Mara is doing anyway.
That's the only play to diffuse tubbie's stalking/harassing/menacing "initial aggressor" behavior and be able to claim sanctuary under the SYG deadly force criteria.
To answer a few of your up-thread questions, I'll clarify my position by stating:
1.) I believed Zimmerman should be charged and then scrutinize his actions with the statutes in a trial setting.
2.) I believe Florida's SYG law does not prevent an individual from deliberately instigating a confrontation, commit murder and then claim immunity due to "self-defense".
3.) I believe if Zimmerman is convicted, the SYG law will not be changed to correct and clarify deficiencies. "See . . . it works!"
4.) I believe this is a racially based prosecution.
5.) I believe, however reprehensible one finds the defendant, Zimmerman should be judged on the evidence and the statute.
6.) I believe it was not the bullet that killed Skittles . . . it was the hole.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
That law (SYG) needs some work! It needs to be refined in some way. I'm still a little blown away by the old man who shot his wife's lover & was acquitted.
I don't know what the answer is but the way it stands I don't feel it's good enough.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - BlueTiki - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 11:44 AM)Duchess Wrote:
I'm still a little blown away by the old man who shot his wife's lover . . .
Rapist, Duchess . . . rapist . . . NOT lover.
Rapist equals SYG immunity; Lover equals murder.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 11:48 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Rapist equals SYG immunity; Lover equals murder.
That's where my issue with it is.
...and it's a little unnerving knowing so many people went along with it.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - BlueTiki - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 11:54 AM)Duchess Wrote:
That's where my issue with it is.
...and it's a little unnerving knowing so many people went along with it.
To me, the statute IS the issue.
Fuck the nigger and the spic!
If it stands, after tubbie is convicted, more will die and their killers will go free.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 12:06 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: If it stands, after tubbie is convicted, more will die and their killers will go free.
Yes and that bothers me. I'd like to think the powers that be will learn from this fiasco but I don't have a lot of hope.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 11:14 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: That's the only play to diffuse tubbie's stalking/harassing/menacing "initial aggressor" behavior and be able to claim sanctuary under the SYG deadly force criteria.
To answer a few of your up-thread questions, I'll clarify my position by stating:
1.) I believed Zimmerman should be charged and then scrutinize his actions with the statutes in a trial setting.
2.) I believe Florida's SYG law does not prevent an individual from deliberately instigating a confrontation, commit murder and then claim immunity due to "self-defense".
3.) I believe if Zimmerman is convicted, the SYG law will not be changed to correct and clarify deficiencies. "See . . . it works!"
4.) I believe this is a racially based prosecution.
5.) I believe, however reprehensible one finds the defendant, Zimmerman should be judged on the evidence and the statute.
6.) I believe it was not the bullet that killed Skittles . . . it was the hole.
Thanks for the clarifications, Tiki.
I read earlier in this case that 70% of defendants who claim immunity under SYG in Florida are granted it.
No way of knowing, of course, what percentage of those are valid self-defense cases and what percentage are those who took advantage of the law. Your point 2.) is something that concerns me in that regard.
While O'Mara's going with standard self defense and Zimmerman waived his right to a SYG immunity hearing, my understanding is that option is still available for him to invoke. So, depending on how things go at trial, there's a kind of Plan B. I'm fuzzy on the logistics/strategy there though.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
Wooooo. Things are testy in the courtroom. The judge is overruling West in regards to her questions put to George about whether or not he'll be testifying.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - HairOfTheDog - 07-10-2013
^ Just saw the replay; West really got under the judge's skin.
He should have just shut up after she first over-ruled his objection.
So, apparently two witnesses left for the defense.
Zimmerman will formally answer as to whether he'll testify after the last witness' testimony. Highly unlikely.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Midwest Spy - 07-10-2013
(07-10-2013, 02:27 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: ^ Just saw the replay; West really got under the judge's skin.
He should have just shut up after she overruled the first objection.
Attorney: I object.
Judge: Overruled.
Attorney: your Honor, I strenuously object.
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Cynical Ninja - 07-10-2013
When the judge says overruled that means you are overruled motherfucker.
If you object again the judge is not going to change their mind and say “yeah go on then! You've won me over!”
RE: walking while black - Trayvon Martin - Duchess - 07-10-2013
It's official, George will not be testifying. No surprise there.