ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING

[username]

Where was the outrage and flags lowered to half mast over Hortman’s shooting/death?

[rothschild]

Have they found the manifesto yet?

Not that I'm aware of and there is already some freaky shit being gossiped about online. Some comparisons are being made between this shooter & the one that killed a guy at one of trump's rallies, the same rally trump faked the assassination attempt at.

Trump's admin is filled with Israeli spooks. Create the problem, wait for the reaction, provide the solution. That's how they roll.

[sally]

Bullshit and fuck you. If your loved one died for nothing other than voicing their opinions in debate settings would you appreciate someone talking about them like this? I fucking doubt it.

Suck it, Sal. I thought you knew who this person was but I can tell by your post/s regarding him that you don't have a fuckin' clue. 

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Lots of people make money off of being trolls, but what did he personally do to hurt you or anyone with a mind of their own? Absolutely nothing. I’m not saying to mourn the guy, but I think his family deserves a little more respect. I can think of many people who should be killed, he wasn’t one of them just because you happen to disagree with his political opinions.

[username]

Bullshit and fuck you. If your loved one died for nothing other than voicing their opinions in debate settings would you appreciate someone talking about them like this? I fucking doubt it.

Suck it, Sal. I thought you knew who this person was but I can tell by your post/s regarding him that you don't have a fuckin' clue. 

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Word. I honestly don’t know much about the guy but reading about him…troll. 

This stinks to high heaven.

[username]

Sally, I don’t think the guy deserved to die by any stretch. But follow who it will benefit more. Republicans or Democrats? I’d say Republicans. So gotta wonder who was behind his death.

ETA: never mind who’s ultimately accused. Maybe I’ll later be convinced it was just one asshole with their own agenda. But I’m not there.

[rothschild]

Bullshit and fuck you. If your loved one died for nothing other than voicing their opinions in debate settings would you appreciate someone talking about them like this? I fucking doubt it.

Suck it, Sal. I thought you knew who this person was but I can tell by your post/s regarding him that you don't have a fuckin' clue. 

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Lots of people make money off of being trolls, but what did he personally do to hurt you or anyone with a mind of their own? Absolutely nothing. I’m not saying to mourn the guy, but I think his family deserves a little more respect. I can think of many people who should be killed, he wasn’t one of them just because you happen to disagree with his political opinions.

The world's a lot more dangerous than it was back in 2016. You can end up dead for blowing your horn at the wrong person. Trolling in public is a really bad idea if you value your life, and it makes no difference what your politics are.

[Carsman]

Suck it, Sal. I thought you knew who this person was but I can tell by your post/s regarding him that you don't have a fuckin' clue. 

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Lots of people make money off of being trolls, but what did he personally do to hurt you or anyone with a mind of their own? Absolutely nothing. I’m not saying to mourn the guy, but I think his family deserves a little more respect. I can think of many people who should be killed, he wasn’t one of them just because you happen to disagree with his political opinions.

The world's a lot more dangerous than it was back in 2016. You can end up dead for blowing your horn at the wrong person. Trolling in public is a really bad idea if you value your life, and it makes no difference what your politics are.

Amen, agree! I have a friend who was shot at for blowing horn at the gun totin hothead!

[username]

WTF??? OMG! I just heard Trump decrying violent political rhetoric and he IMMEDIATELY pivoted to “the crazy people on the left” basically.

Jeebus. So much for lowering the temperature.

[sally]

Suck it, Sal. I thought you knew who this person was but I can tell by your post/s regarding him that you don't have a fuckin' clue. 

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Lots of people make money off of being trolls, but what did he personally do to hurt you or anyone with a mind of their own? Absolutely nothing. I’m not saying to mourn the guy, but I think his family deserves a little more respect. I can think of many people who should be killed, he wasn’t one of them just because you happen to disagree with his political opinions.

The world's a lot more dangerous than it was back in 2016. You can end up dead for blowing your horn at the wrong person. Trolling in public is a really bad idea if you value your life, and it makes no difference what your politics are.

I agree, so should you just shut up and do what you’re told because someone might get really pissed off and attack you in someway or another?

[rothschild]

I know who he is, what has he done other than voicing his opinions like anyone else?

He's a troll, basically, who went around getting people riled up for a living.  a bottom feeder, IMO.

Lots of people make money off of being trolls, but what did he personally do to hurt you or anyone with a mind of their own? Absolutely nothing. I’m not saying to mourn the guy, but I think his family deserves a little more respect. I can think of many people who should be killed, he wasn’t one of them just because you happen to disagree with his political opinions.

The world's a lot more dangerous than it was back in 2016. You can end up dead for blowing your horn at the wrong person. Trolling in public is a really bad idea if you value your life, and it makes no difference what your politics are.

I agree, so should you just shut up and do what you’re told because someone might get really pissed off and attack you in someway or another?

What does that have to do with being a professional shit-stirrer in a nation that's in turmoil?

[username]

A lot of people are doing that. Shutting up and hiding out.

Yes. I think the most vocal people are at risk now. I don’t think it should be that way but that’s how it is.

[rothschild]

A lot of people are doing that. Shutting up and hiding out.

Yes. I think the most vocal people are at risk now. I don’t think it should be that way but that’s how it is.

That's exactly what Trump and his Israeli pals want. Shut up about anything having to do with genocide and human rights, and not just in Israel.

[username]

A lot of people are doing that. Shutting up and hiding out.

Yes. I think the most vocal people are at risk now. I don’t think it should be that way but that’s how it is.

That's exactly what Trump and his Israeli pals want. Shut up about anything having to do with genocide and human rights, and not just in Israel.

Agreed. Although if I were a politician or had some loud voice, IDK what I’d do. Putting money or a career aside for the moment, FFS, the government is digging into mortgage applications. I would likely whither faced with that level of scrutiny if I were facing that. For me/mine. 

Sad but true. 

I feel like a hypocrite because I want people to do just that (from both sides) but don’t know how far I’d be willing to go.

[rothschild]

A lot of people are doing that. Shutting up and hiding out.

Yes. I think the most vocal people are at risk now. I don’t think it should be that way but that’s how it is.

That's exactly what Trump and his Israeli pals want. Shut up about anything having to do with genocide and human rights, and not just in Israel.

Agreed. Although if I were a politician or had some loud voice, IDK what I’d do. Putting money or a career aside for the moment, FFS, the government is digging into mortgage applications. I would likely whither faced with that level of scrutiny if I were facing that. For me/mine. 

Sad but true. 

I feel like a hypocrite because I want people to do just that (from both sides) but don’t know how far I’d be willing to go.

Fight, but do it intelligently. Do you like a good, hard challenge? Well it's your lucky day!

[MirahM]

Where was the outrage and flags lowered to half mast over Hortman’s shooting/death?

Exactly.

[MirahM]

I don't know who this man is and the first time I've seen or heard his name was about 5 minutes ago when I read what he has to say. He speaks for me in this instance. I agree with him on every word.

Today, news broke that Charlie Kirk was shot while speaking at Utah Valley University.

Let me be blunt: I will not pretend to feel sorry for Charlie Kirk. For years, he has profited off division, peddled conspiracy theories, and targeted marginalized groups with rhetoric so toxic it has made this country less safe. He has called for public executions, mocked trans people as “abominations,” treated politics like a holy war — and in 2023, he even said that gun deaths were an “unfortunate” but acceptable price to keep the Second Amendment.

Today, he became part of the very toll he once dismissed. That doesn’t make him a martyr — it makes him a cautionary tale about what happens when leaders treat human lives as expendable. That doesn’t mean I condone what happened. Political violence is wrong — always. It poisons our democracy, no matter who the target is. If we go down that path, America as we know it collapses.

But here’s the truth: when you spend years throwing gasoline on the fire, you don’t get to act shocked when flames break out. Charlie Kirk built a career out of incitement. He’s not a victim of political violence so much as he is one of its architects.

This is a reminder that words have consequences. Leaders — real leaders — should be lowering the temperature, not raising it. They should be uniting people around solutions, not cashing in on fear and hate.

I ran for Congress because I’m sick of this cycle — sick of watching extremists on the right and performative purists on the left treat America like their personal stage show while working-class families get crushed. Enough. Violence is not the answer. But neither is pretending that Charlie Kirk is some innocent casualty. He chose this path. He pushed this rhetoric. And now we’re all living in the world it created.

— William Kory Amyx
Democratic Candidate for U.S. Congress
Indiana’s 6^th Congressional District

You agree with this douche mocking someone’s death that never did a fucking thing to him?

Sally this is similar to the rhetoric I have seen online. It is not condoning his death or the violence. He even has a quote saying "if some are sacrificed so we can have our 2^nd amendment rights, so be it" Did he deserve death because of saying that-no. But he certainly never expressed sympathy for people dying the same way. If he did and I'm wrong I will admit that, but everything I have found so far today shows that he lacked empathy and sympathy.

[MirahM]

Does anybody know who Nick Freitas is? He posted this today in response to the shooting-basically saying all left are bad and inciting a war.

I am told that as a state representative this is the moment where I'm supposed to express my heartfelt condolences and then stand in solidarity with those on the other side of the aisle as we condemn political violence and stand unified as one people.
But we aren't "one people" are we?
The truth is we haven't been for some time now, and there is really no point in pretending anymore, if there ever was.
We are two very different peoples. We may occupy the same piece of geography, but that is where the similarities seem to abruptly end.
I convinced myself for a long time that whenever the left called me a racist, a bigot, a sexist, a fascist, a "threat to democracy" for even the most innocent of disagreements, that it was simply hyperbolic rhetoric done for effect. 
And now the "effect" is a widow and two orphaned children, because the left couldn’t bear the thought of a peaceful man debating them and winning.   
I don’t think they realize it yet, but murdering Charlie is going to be remembered as the day where we finally woke up to what this fight really is.   
It’s not a civil dispute among fellow countrymen. It’s a war between diametrically opposed worldviews which cannot peacefully coexist with one another. One side will win, and one side will lose.   
Charlie tried to win that fight through argumentation, through discussion, through peaceful resolution of differences. 
And the other side murdered him.   
Not because he was “extreme” or “inciting violence” or any other hyperbolic slur they hurled at him. They murdered him because he was effective. Because he was unafraid. Because he inspired others and made them feel like they had a voice, that they were not alone. And he did it at the very institutions which have fomented so much hatred toward conservatives.   
I don’t want to “stand in solidarity” with the other side of the aisle. I want to defeat you. I want to defeat the godless ideology that kills babies in the womb, sterilizes confused children, turns our cities into cesspools of degeneracy and lawlessness…and that murdered Charlie Kirk.   
Social media is aflame right now with leftist celebration of Charlie’s death.
I wonder if any among them understand what has just happened. If there is a Yamamoto somewhere in their midst warning, that all they have done is awoken a sleeping giant.   
I doubt it. I think they gave up such introspection and self-awareness long ago.   
I don’t know exactly what will happen next. I just know that it won’t be the same as what has happened in the past.
There will be thoughts and prayers…Charlie would have wanted prayers. Not for himself but for those left behind and for the country that he loved.
But then there will be a reckoning.   
My Christian faith requires me to love my enemies and pray for those who curse me. It does not require me to stand idly by in the midst of savagery and barbarism...quite the opposite.
So every time I feel tired, every time I feel discouraged or overwhelmed, I am going to watch the video of a good man being murdered in Utah…I will force myself to watch it…and then I will return to the work of destroying the evil ideology responsible for that and so much more.
Rest with God Charlie, your fight is over.
Ours is just beginning.

[rothschild]

Sally this is similar to the rhetoric I have seen online. It is not condoning his death or the violence. He even has a quote saying "if some are sacrificed so we can have our 2^nd amendment rights, so be it" Did he deserve death because of saying that-no. But he certainly never expressed sympathy for people dying the same way. If he did and I'm wrong I will admit that, but everything I have found so far today shows that he lacked empathy and sympathy.

I think it was a poor choice of words given how volatile the situation is. Trump wants violence. People like William Kory Amyx don't appreciate how easy it is to create events that could send people into a blood frenzy like we're seeing in Gaza. These are extremely dangerous times we're in.

[BigMark]

Once again Sally is the one with the voice of reason.

[Duchess]

Voice of reason? No. It's the voice YOU agree with.