05-09-2012, 07:10 PM
I'm sorry, Disciple, I don't know what that last sentence means. Help me out.
Yes, I was implying that about New York and any other place that expects victims to retreat. While someone may choose to retreat, out of fear, not everyone will, nor should they. I think of the many instances of women being advised to kick a guy in the nads and fight back, in an assault. I guess NY would arrest HER. It's completely up to each individual to gage the danger they're in and if they feel comfortable fighting back or if their life depends on it. The retreat bullshit puts a burden on the victim! I have no doubt, whatsoever, that the left would love to see the entire US brought under laws like they have in the UK where crime victims go to prison for defending their own lives.
What I mean about the People having the final say is that government and the legal system are inferior to the People. They are created to serve us, not the other way around. I will certainly grant you that that has been turned on it's head. I'm really talking about ideally, in the sense of what of what the framers created. Obviously, over a couple of hundred years, things have changed. That doesn't mean that I accept that change. In fact, I think most of it is downright criminal. You must know that there is a constant struggle between people of different ideologies. I'm a strict constructionist and see the role of government and law as our framers did. They even saw a difference between "legal" and "lawful", the latter having having to do with natural law and a higher authority and the former being a system of written law, subject to extreme corruption. I mean, you know that the US congress has passed all kinds of laws that fly in the face of the constitution. The PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, etc. When the criminals are in charge, they always write laws to protect themselves. That criminal establishment, all of whom took oaths to uphold and defend the constitution and daily violate that oath, wants America disarmed. And, yes, they will push that agenda as far as they think they can get away with it. Look at the article I just posted. There is nothing more basic to your liberty than the right to defend your own life (which I feel Trayvon was doing, btw). That anyone would be legally required to retreat from an assailant isn't just stupid but it's evil. It's a fundamental violation of a natural right.
I want to stress, again, that I only said I would be reluctant to convict Zimmerman because of the bad actors trying to use this case to violate MY rights. I'm really sympathetic to Trayvon and I think he had every right to kick Zimmerman's ass. BTW, retreat laws like NY has would criminalize Trayvon for defending himself from a crazy stalker.
The bottom line is that the law should make common sense. Anything that runs counter to that is unjust. It's as simple as that.
Just typing this to you gets me very pissed about Zimmerman and these political assholes that have used the unjust death of an innocent person to try and attack the rights of all Americans. That is extremely convoluted. If we ever have another revolution, I hope those bastards are the first to get 'justice'. If history is any indication, it will come to that and THAT is why our framers gave us the second amendment.
Really appreciate your well thought out posts, Disciple.
Yes, I was implying that about New York and any other place that expects victims to retreat. While someone may choose to retreat, out of fear, not everyone will, nor should they. I think of the many instances of women being advised to kick a guy in the nads and fight back, in an assault. I guess NY would arrest HER. It's completely up to each individual to gage the danger they're in and if they feel comfortable fighting back or if their life depends on it. The retreat bullshit puts a burden on the victim! I have no doubt, whatsoever, that the left would love to see the entire US brought under laws like they have in the UK where crime victims go to prison for defending their own lives.
What I mean about the People having the final say is that government and the legal system are inferior to the People. They are created to serve us, not the other way around. I will certainly grant you that that has been turned on it's head. I'm really talking about ideally, in the sense of what of what the framers created. Obviously, over a couple of hundred years, things have changed. That doesn't mean that I accept that change. In fact, I think most of it is downright criminal. You must know that there is a constant struggle between people of different ideologies. I'm a strict constructionist and see the role of government and law as our framers did. They even saw a difference between "legal" and "lawful", the latter having having to do with natural law and a higher authority and the former being a system of written law, subject to extreme corruption. I mean, you know that the US congress has passed all kinds of laws that fly in the face of the constitution. The PATRIOT Act, the NDAA, etc. When the criminals are in charge, they always write laws to protect themselves. That criminal establishment, all of whom took oaths to uphold and defend the constitution and daily violate that oath, wants America disarmed. And, yes, they will push that agenda as far as they think they can get away with it. Look at the article I just posted. There is nothing more basic to your liberty than the right to defend your own life (which I feel Trayvon was doing, btw). That anyone would be legally required to retreat from an assailant isn't just stupid but it's evil. It's a fundamental violation of a natural right.
I want to stress, again, that I only said I would be reluctant to convict Zimmerman because of the bad actors trying to use this case to violate MY rights. I'm really sympathetic to Trayvon and I think he had every right to kick Zimmerman's ass. BTW, retreat laws like NY has would criminalize Trayvon for defending himself from a crazy stalker.
The bottom line is that the law should make common sense. Anything that runs counter to that is unjust. It's as simple as that.
Just typing this to you gets me very pissed about Zimmerman and these political assholes that have used the unjust death of an innocent person to try and attack the rights of all Americans. That is extremely convoluted. If we ever have another revolution, I hope those bastards are the first to get 'justice'. If history is any indication, it will come to that and THAT is why our framers gave us the second amendment.
Really appreciate your well thought out posts, Disciple.