Arizona Takes A Big Step Back. WARNING, GRAPHIC!

[Disciple]

Thank you, HOTD.

OK, Dick, looking at the forest instead of the trees, do the facts support your position or mine?

Ok call me stupid but when did we get a new President?

who owned it after that or actually before that.

unless I have completely lost my mind the promise was 16 months.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelands...aIrqWr.htm

at some point a President owns his own shit.

Bush started shit no doubt but who continued it business as usual?

Afghaistan is Obamas right? where are we there for troop numbers and well success "cough" ?

how many of that original coalition still exisits? does Afghanistan have UN support?

Iraq is over by the way.

OK. You're stupid.

Iraq: the bigger the mess, the longer it takes to clean up and get out, especially when you have the Rabid Right to contend with.

Afghanistan: you mean the war Bush had won before his ADD took over, he launched the useless war in Iraq and gave the Taliban a new lease on life?

Face saving, old timer, like Viet Nam 73 - 75. Peace with honor. You've heard the litany before.

Withdrawal and Taliban/Pakistan victory are inevitable.

But we must save face, especially in an election year.