08-31-2014, 04:10 PM
Your argument couldn't have been simpler from the start, Cutz. It's just ineffective.
And, it's strange to me that you even wanna argue with a confident able-minded adult (me or anyone else) about how you know what they REALLY think; insisting that they're either wrong or dishonest about their thoughts and feelings if the truth contradicts an off-base broad-brushing assertion that you've espoused based on analysis of an internet forum comment.
I'm not gonna lie to appease you. Thus, I won't be able to answer your call on me to recognize the specific bias that you’ve diagnosed within me. But don't think I don't appreciate the seriousness of your calling. (That there is some hilariously arrogant shit.)
One thing you mentioned in your last post -- along side your righteous call for recognition and your challenging pedophile logic questions -- may have actually been helpful in understanding part of your apparent angst in this thread. From what you posted, I got the impression that that you view the “case at hand” here as limited directly to the shooting of Michael Brown; like a criminal or legal case that we should be approaching and discussing in terms of evidence pertaining to the shooting itself -- like attorneys, or jurors, or crime reporters…
I don't view the case at hand that narrowly myself. We’re not in a court of a law and this is not a Cell Block/ crime forum thread. The “case at hand”, for me, in this discussion thread has centered around what’s coming out of Ferguson and surrounding areas in the aftermath of a contested shooting. That includes the community claims of historical police brutality, the LE claims and statements about the shooting and the climate between police and residents, Mrs. Brown's claims about her son's demeanor, the liquor store video of Michael Brown, the protests/riots, the statements from community members, the perceptions about community members expressed here and elsewhere, etc... It's broad.
Some residents have claimed that the cops in the area have little regard for the residents they police and that they routinely practice police brutality. Some of those residents believe that could be a factor in explaining how an unarmed teen stopped for jaywalking ended up dead 35 feet from the officer’s vehicle with unrelated eyewitnesses claiming that his hands were in the air or that he was surrendering while the officer continued shooting. Others feel that Michael Brown's demeanor at the liquor store suggests that he may have been an aggressive individual who caused his own death. Whether or not those claims and beliefs have any bearing on ascertaining if the shooting of Michael Brown was justified is something that I don't know or have an opinion about. Unless you somehow have access to information that hasn’t been reported to the public, you don’t know one way or the other either. The motive for the shooting remains a question -- it's open for discussion here, there and everywhere -- despite the fact that posing questions about different possibilities somehow resembles deeming someone guilty in your mind.
I appreciate our media in the US and don’t get terribly frustrated by subtle or blatant agenda-based reporting. It’s a fact of life and it’s simple enough for me to read several reports of the story by different sources and weed out the direct statements and facts from the spin. I’ve been doing that for at least 15 years now and actually enjoy it -- that process contributes to the formation of my personal opinions and views. How you've managed to equate posting direct news accounts and sharing my personal views about them with “regurgitation” of bias is another convoluted Cutz claim that really doesn’t need to be explained -- sometimes it’s enough just knowing there are such intriguing unsolved mysteries in our midst.
And, it's strange to me that you even wanna argue with a confident able-minded adult (me or anyone else) about how you know what they REALLY think; insisting that they're either wrong or dishonest about their thoughts and feelings if the truth contradicts an off-base broad-brushing assertion that you've espoused based on analysis of an internet forum comment.
I'm not gonna lie to appease you. Thus, I won't be able to answer your call on me to recognize the specific bias that you’ve diagnosed within me. But don't think I don't appreciate the seriousness of your calling. (That there is some hilariously arrogant shit.)
One thing you mentioned in your last post -- along side your righteous call for recognition and your challenging pedophile logic questions -- may have actually been helpful in understanding part of your apparent angst in this thread. From what you posted, I got the impression that that you view the “case at hand” here as limited directly to the shooting of Michael Brown; like a criminal or legal case that we should be approaching and discussing in terms of evidence pertaining to the shooting itself -- like attorneys, or jurors, or crime reporters…
I don't view the case at hand that narrowly myself. We’re not in a court of a law and this is not a Cell Block/ crime forum thread. The “case at hand”, for me, in this discussion thread has centered around what’s coming out of Ferguson and surrounding areas in the aftermath of a contested shooting. That includes the community claims of historical police brutality, the LE claims and statements about the shooting and the climate between police and residents, Mrs. Brown's claims about her son's demeanor, the liquor store video of Michael Brown, the protests/riots, the statements from community members, the perceptions about community members expressed here and elsewhere, etc... It's broad.
Some residents have claimed that the cops in the area have little regard for the residents they police and that they routinely practice police brutality. Some of those residents believe that could be a factor in explaining how an unarmed teen stopped for jaywalking ended up dead 35 feet from the officer’s vehicle with unrelated eyewitnesses claiming that his hands were in the air or that he was surrendering while the officer continued shooting. Others feel that Michael Brown's demeanor at the liquor store suggests that he may have been an aggressive individual who caused his own death. Whether or not those claims and beliefs have any bearing on ascertaining if the shooting of Michael Brown was justified is something that I don't know or have an opinion about. Unless you somehow have access to information that hasn’t been reported to the public, you don’t know one way or the other either. The motive for the shooting remains a question -- it's open for discussion here, there and everywhere -- despite the fact that posing questions about different possibilities somehow resembles deeming someone guilty in your mind.
I appreciate our media in the US and don’t get terribly frustrated by subtle or blatant agenda-based reporting. It’s a fact of life and it’s simple enough for me to read several reports of the story by different sources and weed out the direct statements and facts from the spin. I’ve been doing that for at least 15 years now and actually enjoy it -- that process contributes to the formation of my personal opinions and views. How you've managed to equate posting direct news accounts and sharing my personal views about them with “regurgitation” of bias is another convoluted Cutz claim that really doesn’t need to be explained -- sometimes it’s enough just knowing there are such intriguing unsolved mysteries in our midst.