12-08-2014, 01:06 AM
I don't happen to be a soccer mom, Cutz. And, it's not up to me to question LE actions. I think what I want, question what I want, and do what I want (without hurting others) based on my interests. It's my right to do so. I'm joined in exercising that freedom of thought, expression and speech by a lot of soccer moms, LEOs, pundits, single men and women, etc...
You say, "cops have feelings and they're allowed to cry on the job too!!!" Well, alright, Cutz. That's you expressing your thoughts and exercising your free speech. No one's trying to suggest it's wrong for you to do so. It wouldn't bother me if you wanted to act on those feelings and give Officer Loehmann a nice big reassuring hug.
But, you're either intentionally minimizing the issue or you're unaware of the facts when you falsely characterize the question of Loehmann's qualifications. Officer Loehmann was noted as having an "emotional meltdown". He was also noted as having "a pattern of lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions," a "dangerous loss of composure during live range training" and an "inability to manage personal stress." Further, the Deputy Chief of Police for Independence, Ohio wrote: "I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies," in a November 2012 memo.
A "pattern" is not indicative of an isolated incident or "one day", Cutz. Loehmann's performance problems were noted in a review by a supervisor who was preparing to fire Loehmann when Loehmann instead quit. He was inactive from the time he quit in Nov 2012 until joining Cleveland PD in March of 2014, where he was hired without anyone knowing of his performance issues (according to Cleveland PD themselves).
Maybe Loehmann's previous performance and his lack of experience in the field will be determined not to have been a factor in the death of Tamir Rice, but you can bet your ass it's being investigated -- as it should be, IMO. Maybe the investigation or the grand jury will determine that his performance and lack of experience were contributing factors in the death of Tamir Rice. We'll see.
In either case, it's being commented upon by analysts and case followers of both sexes in many places, not just women in this crime forum. The bee in your bonnet here seems to stem more from women questioning a man or a police officer than anything else. That's okay -- chauvinists and women are equally free to post their opinions here.
You say, "cops have feelings and they're allowed to cry on the job too!!!" Well, alright, Cutz. That's you expressing your thoughts and exercising your free speech. No one's trying to suggest it's wrong for you to do so. It wouldn't bother me if you wanted to act on those feelings and give Officer Loehmann a nice big reassuring hug.
But, you're either intentionally minimizing the issue or you're unaware of the facts when you falsely characterize the question of Loehmann's qualifications. Officer Loehmann was noted as having an "emotional meltdown". He was also noted as having "a pattern of lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions," a "dangerous loss of composure during live range training" and an "inability to manage personal stress." Further, the Deputy Chief of Police for Independence, Ohio wrote: "I do not believe time, nor training, will be able to change or correct these deficiencies," in a November 2012 memo.
A "pattern" is not indicative of an isolated incident or "one day", Cutz. Loehmann's performance problems were noted in a review by a supervisor who was preparing to fire Loehmann when Loehmann instead quit. He was inactive from the time he quit in Nov 2012 until joining Cleveland PD in March of 2014, where he was hired without anyone knowing of his performance issues (according to Cleveland PD themselves).
Maybe Loehmann's previous performance and his lack of experience in the field will be determined not to have been a factor in the death of Tamir Rice, but you can bet your ass it's being investigated -- as it should be, IMO. Maybe the investigation or the grand jury will determine that his performance and lack of experience were contributing factors in the death of Tamir Rice. We'll see.
In either case, it's being commented upon by analysts and case followers of both sexes in many places, not just women in this crime forum. The bee in your bonnet here seems to stem more from women questioning a man or a police officer than anything else. That's okay -- chauvinists and women are equally free to post their opinions here.