03-15-2022, 03:24 AM
(03-15-2022, 12:19 AM)MirahM Wrote: I feel like this is the upside down world when I come into this room, this thread, this forum.
Putin is good, he is annoyed, Biden is bad Zalensky is bad because he has people working for him who are bad-I mean does he know this? Is he best friends with the guy? Do they pal around? Is everyone that works for Putin an angel? How about the United States military-are they all good?
Reading RC's posts are exhausting.
I mean I totally get trying to see another side-I do.
But who is the aggressor?
Who fired the first shot? Who is aiming at civilians?
I mean do you really want to go back to some story from 1989 and say someeone from that time is responsible for what Putin is doing?
And now Maggot wants to say that Trump helped Ukraine? Come on. Did his administration provide weapons after a certain amount of time when that whole phone call happened-sure. So, wow, way to go Trump! You are the hero!
Srsly what kind of fucking upside down world is this.
According to the Minsk Agreement, which dates back to 2014, the Russian enclaves in Ukraine were to have elections pertaining to their autonomy/sovereignty. Ukraine reneged and instead sent in military forces to crush the separatist movement, which included the Azov Battalion, members of which committed very egregious war crimes/crimes against humanity, including the raping of infants in front of their parents.
Why didn't the UN Security Council take this up and demand that those responsible be sent to The Hague to face trial? Because concern for human rights only manifests when it's politically expedient.
No one in this thread has stated that Putin is a "good" guy; quite the contrary, actually, as I have stated that there are no good guys when it comes to powerful nations.
As for your "exhaustion", maybe it has something to do with how much you care about truth. In my experience, caring about truth means you're willing to invest serious amounts of time in verification, as opposed to relying on "fact-checkers". Sure it's tedious, but guess what? Truth is an extremely valuable commodity, so in the end it's an investment that pays off handsomely.
Again, if it was Putin that had unleashed neo-Nazis on Ukrainian civilians your news outlets would have informed you about it and it would have been you and/or Duchess posting about it in this thread. But they didn't, because corporate "morality" is entirely situational.