07-25-2012, 03:57 PM
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feel free to post this if you like. I had the opportunity to attend the Samuel Williams trial Friday, Monday morning, and this (Tuesday) afternoon. First, the trials are absolutely open to the public, just arrive early to reserve a seat (this is what I have done all days). Second, the cigarette butt puts both Williams and Pettaway at the scene of the murder because there was testimony that Lisa and her parents were meticulous about keeping the house clean. Lisa would never have left a cig butt inside the house, she would have cleaned it up immediately, obviously she never had that chance. Also, Lisa did not allow anyone to smoke in the house. She herself walked outside to smoke. The murderers were the only ones who clearly did not follow her rule. And, under what circumstances would these two grown thug men share a cigarette?? --when they are in the middle of committing a murder. Third, Sam and Cam have not rolled on each other or anyone else, because, in my opinion, they are the ones who killed Johnny and Lisa. And I think Sam killed Johnny and Cam killed Lisa. They are both in it until the end.
On Monday, I caught the testimony of Mary Beth Straub, Jeff Straub, Michael Dominguez, and Tiffany Williams. What struck me most in watching the Straubs was how attractive they both are, how composed they were, and how sad it is that their lovely daughter was murdered. Their testimony and the testimony of Michael Dominguez has been covered within this thread and I don't have much else to add. Tiffany Williams came off as sincere and honest, to me. She said she heard Johnny saying "who the fuck are you?". This statement almost did not come in because defense argued it was hearsay. Defense wants to point the finger at all the other people who could have possible motives for hurting Johnny, but Johnny knows those people and would not ask "who are you?". Tiffany tries calling them back many many times, she broke down and started crying when she described trying to get a hold of them. Tiffany admitted she lied to police when she said she was going to the store / carryout. She actually went to buy Perocets, and said she was too embarrassed to admit that at first. One inconsistency I noted - in Williams's trial, Tiffany testified that she and Zack went to MisQ after the police left her leave the scene that night, she said a couple of hours later, Maytee called her phone and told her Johnny and Lisa were dead. Apparently she said a Watson brother called and told her when she testified in Bates's courtroom (?). On Cross, Thebes basically tried to make her story of events that night very confusing to the jury, and suggested she had set up a meeting between Johnny and perspective marijuana buyers, and that she knew something had gone wrong, and that's why she delayed calling the police. Tiffany said that Johnny and AP were on bad terms because Johnny slept with Alex Cousino who is AP's ex. Tiffany used to live with Zack Burkett, then moved in with AP's mom, now she is back living with Zack.
Today, I heard a jailhouse call from Williams to Pettaway's brother, I believe, under a different inmate's pin number. It was very hard to make out what the two were saying, because of their style of speaking and terms they use. I got most of it, but know that the older jurors could not have understood much of anything. I know the jurors can listen to the tape as much as they want because it was admitted into evidence, but hopefully someone can transcribe it for them because it was just that difficult to catch the few incriminating remarks Sam made. Specifically, I heard him say, "it was hot in there for a minute binding him up," and "i haven't lost any sleep thinking about it," and "we're almost off the hook." In general it seemed like a conversation of Sam assuring Pettaway's brother that he was not going to roll on Cameo.
Then came the jaillhouse snitch, Eric. He testified that Sam admitted to killing Johnny and Lisa and told Eric very specific details of the crime. Things that I did not learn until they were brought out in court. And I have read every page in this thread. He said that Williams said he will never forget the sound of lisa breathing in and out of the bag dying ;( He said that Lisa ran into her bedroom and locked the door and that Cameo kicked it in and forced her downstairs. He said they made Johnny and Lisa face each other and put a bag over Lisa's head suffocating her until she passed out, trying to get Johnny to tell them the location of the safe. The third time they did this to Lisa, she died. Then they smoked a cigarette while deciding what to do with Johnny. During that time, according to Eric, Eric Taylor, was inside killing Johnny. He said Eric Taylor, Sam, Cam, and Amy Teneyck were all there, Amy drove. Eric claimed he obtained no benefit for testifying for the state. He was sent to work release earlier but he was only sentenced to 10 months anyway, so not much of a break. Especially considering these guys may try to murder him for this testimony. The problem with his testimony, to me, was that it was inaccurate. There were things he said that ended up not being true, so I don't know what the jury will take from him.
I also caught the testimony of a gentleman from the BCI. Saw photos from the crime scene. Not pleasant. I feel so much sadness for these two kids and their families. Saw a pic of the infamous cig butt, located inside the house in the hall between the kitchen and the door to the garage. (this is an example of where Eric, the jailhouse witness, was wrong, he said Sam said they smoked the cigarette in the garage).
Unfortunately, I missed Alexandra Cousino. She is the link between Johnny and Lisa and Sam and Cam. I heard that she said she was very close friends with the two defendants. That at the very least gives Williams and Pettaway knowledge of Johnny living at the Straubs, and knowledge that the parents were out of town. Perhaps it gives motive, also. Cousino was angry at Johnny about the bad car deal, she tells Sam and Cam about that and the opportunity to steal drugs and a safe, and they go to the house that dreadful night. I don't think Cousino has given her DNA. And I'd be willing to bet it's her unidentified DNA on the duct tape around Johnny's ankles. I guess that text she wrote isn't enough to give them probable cause for a search warrant for her DNA??
That's all I can remember or think is significant at this point. I will try to attend some more of the trials this week. It looks like they are moving much faster than expected and may have closing arguments at the end of the week.
feel free to post this if you like. I had the opportunity to attend the Samuel Williams trial Friday, Monday morning, and this (Tuesday) afternoon. First, the trials are absolutely open to the public, just arrive early to reserve a seat (this is what I have done all days). Second, the cigarette butt puts both Williams and Pettaway at the scene of the murder because there was testimony that Lisa and her parents were meticulous about keeping the house clean. Lisa would never have left a cig butt inside the house, she would have cleaned it up immediately, obviously she never had that chance. Also, Lisa did not allow anyone to smoke in the house. She herself walked outside to smoke. The murderers were the only ones who clearly did not follow her rule. And, under what circumstances would these two grown thug men share a cigarette?? --when they are in the middle of committing a murder. Third, Sam and Cam have not rolled on each other or anyone else, because, in my opinion, they are the ones who killed Johnny and Lisa. And I think Sam killed Johnny and Cam killed Lisa. They are both in it until the end.
On Monday, I caught the testimony of Mary Beth Straub, Jeff Straub, Michael Dominguez, and Tiffany Williams. What struck me most in watching the Straubs was how attractive they both are, how composed they were, and how sad it is that their lovely daughter was murdered. Their testimony and the testimony of Michael Dominguez has been covered within this thread and I don't have much else to add. Tiffany Williams came off as sincere and honest, to me. She said she heard Johnny saying "who the fuck are you?". This statement almost did not come in because defense argued it was hearsay. Defense wants to point the finger at all the other people who could have possible motives for hurting Johnny, but Johnny knows those people and would not ask "who are you?". Tiffany tries calling them back many many times, she broke down and started crying when she described trying to get a hold of them. Tiffany admitted she lied to police when she said she was going to the store / carryout. She actually went to buy Perocets, and said she was too embarrassed to admit that at first. One inconsistency I noted - in Williams's trial, Tiffany testified that she and Zack went to MisQ after the police left her leave the scene that night, she said a couple of hours later, Maytee called her phone and told her Johnny and Lisa were dead. Apparently she said a Watson brother called and told her when she testified in Bates's courtroom (?). On Cross, Thebes basically tried to make her story of events that night very confusing to the jury, and suggested she had set up a meeting between Johnny and perspective marijuana buyers, and that she knew something had gone wrong, and that's why she delayed calling the police. Tiffany said that Johnny and AP were on bad terms because Johnny slept with Alex Cousino who is AP's ex. Tiffany used to live with Zack Burkett, then moved in with AP's mom, now she is back living with Zack.
Today, I heard a jailhouse call from Williams to Pettaway's brother, I believe, under a different inmate's pin number. It was very hard to make out what the two were saying, because of their style of speaking and terms they use. I got most of it, but know that the older jurors could not have understood much of anything. I know the jurors can listen to the tape as much as they want because it was admitted into evidence, but hopefully someone can transcribe it for them because it was just that difficult to catch the few incriminating remarks Sam made. Specifically, I heard him say, "it was hot in there for a minute binding him up," and "i haven't lost any sleep thinking about it," and "we're almost off the hook." In general it seemed like a conversation of Sam assuring Pettaway's brother that he was not going to roll on Cameo.
Then came the jaillhouse snitch, Eric. He testified that Sam admitted to killing Johnny and Lisa and told Eric very specific details of the crime. Things that I did not learn until they were brought out in court. And I have read every page in this thread. He said that Williams said he will never forget the sound of lisa breathing in and out of the bag dying ;( He said that Lisa ran into her bedroom and locked the door and that Cameo kicked it in and forced her downstairs. He said they made Johnny and Lisa face each other and put a bag over Lisa's head suffocating her until she passed out, trying to get Johnny to tell them the location of the safe. The third time they did this to Lisa, she died. Then they smoked a cigarette while deciding what to do with Johnny. During that time, according to Eric, Eric Taylor, was inside killing Johnny. He said Eric Taylor, Sam, Cam, and Amy Teneyck were all there, Amy drove. Eric claimed he obtained no benefit for testifying for the state. He was sent to work release earlier but he was only sentenced to 10 months anyway, so not much of a break. Especially considering these guys may try to murder him for this testimony. The problem with his testimony, to me, was that it was inaccurate. There were things he said that ended up not being true, so I don't know what the jury will take from him.
I also caught the testimony of a gentleman from the BCI. Saw photos from the crime scene. Not pleasant. I feel so much sadness for these two kids and their families. Saw a pic of the infamous cig butt, located inside the house in the hall between the kitchen and the door to the garage. (this is an example of where Eric, the jailhouse witness, was wrong, he said Sam said they smoked the cigarette in the garage).
Unfortunately, I missed Alexandra Cousino. She is the link between Johnny and Lisa and Sam and Cam. I heard that she said she was very close friends with the two defendants. That at the very least gives Williams and Pettaway knowledge of Johnny living at the Straubs, and knowledge that the parents were out of town. Perhaps it gives motive, also. Cousino was angry at Johnny about the bad car deal, she tells Sam and Cam about that and the opportunity to steal drugs and a safe, and they go to the house that dreadful night. I don't think Cousino has given her DNA. And I'd be willing to bet it's her unidentified DNA on the duct tape around Johnny's ankles. I guess that text she wrote isn't enough to give them probable cause for a search warrant for her DNA??
That's all I can remember or think is significant at this point. I will try to attend some more of the trials this week. It looks like they are moving much faster than expected and may have closing arguments at the end of the week.