Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[sharit]

nancy grace is talking about a couple shot in the back of their head in hapersfield ohio. is there a thread for this story?

harpersfield, ohio

[wanttoknow]

nancy grace is talking about a couple shot in the back of their head in hapersfield ohio. is there a thread for this story?

yes in LC Cell block

[pspence]

Good night all...I sure hope they'll be an arrest during the night and I'll wake up to all the details and they're behind bars who hurt those precious kids!

[sharit]

nancy grace is talking about a couple shot in the back of their head in hapersfield ohio. is there a thread for this story?

yes in LC Cell block

thank you.

[imsuchawildflower]

I'm starting to get scared...this really is some scary creepy horrible people...not just "a couple" of psychopaths ...I didn't realize T's X was killed robbing his friends...OMG...what kind of world is this...this is getting so creepy...it just hit me that I bet the LE might be so quiet about this (no press conferences, etc) because it is so horribly dark...they may be frightened for themselves and their families in merely investigating it...don't want to say a word until they bust them....okay ShitStorm...I'm going off the deep end here...they're not going to order a hit on a little old lady who lives in NC that's way too nosey now are they???...omg....now I need a xanax!

Its very very time consuming, but it would be really good to go back and read from the beginning...so many details about all these people. Im only on page 230 or so, and keeping up with the new posts, but its really very worth it to know all these details.

[imsuchawildflower]

Its very very time consuming, but it would be really good to go back and read from the beginning...so many details about all these people. Im only on page 230 or so, and keeping up with the new posts, but its really very worth it to know all these details.
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Oh, and hit the quote button and not the reply button when replying so we know to what you are referring

[imsuchawildflower]

Quick recap.

Tiffany stated that she was going to play pool with a friend at the Straubs and that her boyfriend couldn't make it, as he was at home doing a paper for school.

She stated that the police have looked at/examined her phone records (verifying that her record of conversations was correct) but did not need to confiscate her phone to do so.

She indicated that the police have interviewed at least three people. Herself, her boyfriend and an unnamed party, known as the minor.

She stated that she did not feel robbery was the primary motive and that this crime was of a more personal nature. She indicated that she had an idea that no one else was expected at the Straub home that evening. And, she feels a person who was involved in a robbery with JC years back could be a prime suspect.

She said that JC said he was planning to call her back after responding to someone saying essentially what are you doing here, who are you. She stated this is why she did not contact police immediately.

She indicated that she could not hear Lisa or the mystery man who was in the home at the time in question.

She stated that she did not see inside the home, or claim it was ransacked, at any time.

Please add to the recap as you see fit. Just trying to consolidate info.

Tiffany/Mock members, feel free to correct anything I have wrong.

Thanks again for joining us Tiffany. We look forward to learning more.

worth going over again...

[pspence]

omg...that other darling couple that were both found shot in the back of their heads on a road in their car...when reading the article it said...

"Cox (the young man that was killed) left an ominous message on his Facebook profile in January that read "I'm 23 now but will I live to see 24[?] I don't know my lucks runnin out fool." The quote was reportedly taken from "Gangsta's Paradise," a rap song by music artist Coolio.

OMG...i hope not another gang thing....how absolutely horrible!

[ZEROSPHERES]

ShitStorm. You indeed sound like a very very cool person. Have to ask you though...I've read a lot about mental illnesses, personality disorders, etc. and even taught a university class on a related topic ...my question is "how can there possibly be that MANY psychopaths/sociopaths"? I know there are a lot more in our society than we think...no remorse, conscience, etc. even a lot of CEO's ...neighbors, etc. but how can we have - it's almost like a generation of them in these areas...I don't understand that part of it.

have you read "The sociopath next door" by Martha Stout.
highly acclaimed and very informative and scary!!!!

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm[



A passage from rhe book

[ZEROSPHERES]

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm

[sealed27]

Yes and thank God they caught the killer

[c-bus]

My opinion only...I believe johnny and lisa partied and used some drugs. Johnny may have dealt in some small time drugs because of the crowd they was in and it was easy to get rid of the small amount that he may have been fronted. If he indeed owed the wrong people money they may have died behind the debt. I do not believe he was dealing big time or he would have had his own car and his girl would not have been a waitress(she would have been focusing on school). On he other hand drugs do bad things to people and maybe someone close to them wanted what they had or thought they had. Toledo has some gangsters but I do not believe TW is a real one. She's lost and she definitely runs with the wrong crowd and really I believe that's all she knows. I believe her group wants to be gangsters but really they are thugs. Gangsters wouldn't kill their frIends over some pills but thugs do what ever to get what they want.

[sealed27]

I mean they caught the killer in regards to the couple that were shot in the back of their heads , they say it was drug related the male that was killed, the woman was killed they stated in the article because she was a witness

[kitty1]

OMG...DC TIM.....if what you say is true...

"I've learned from a VERY reliable source today that LE knows who the perps were. Suffice to say that some of the recent contributors here were right on the mark.

I think what they're waiting for is DNA evidence to be returned before any arrests are made.

Sadly, what we have heard about LS being tortured is evidently correct. Worse than we've read here I'm told". ...and then later DC Tim, you say "this was all about JC"...sounds like a drug deal gone bad - like thousands of others across the nation - except in this case instead of someone strung out and shooting them, JC sold the wrong guy some bad dope...the guy(s) turned out to be psychopaths with maybe an extra sociopath jealous home girls of Lisa thrown in.

The party at their house earlier...the perfect storm of disaster...all it takes from someone unbalanced jealous girlfriend is to see her homeboy staring at the pretty Lisa a little too long...in her gorgeous home...while her homeboy is getting bad dope from JC...am I on the right track here DC Tim?

I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO

[curious]

Oh, and hit the quote button and not the reply button when replying so we know to what you are referring
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Can everyone PLEASE remember to condense the previous post if at all possible, some of them take up an entire page...only to have "agreed" as the reply

[SayWhat123]

I do have to take issue to all of those who are judgemental about how anyone's kids turn out...

p, with all due respect, this is a whole other strata we're discussing. I did drugs. Smoked weed and hash, dropped acid, ate mescaline, and was a peace loving, war protesting, hippie. These people are gansters, p. I don't know if you've bothered examining their pictures. Tattoos, guns, huge stacks of money, gang signs. Their "writings" talk about beating people up, killing people, and other psychotic pass times. I don't know what your relationship to Tiffany is. Perhaps you know all this. If so, do not minimize it. This is the worst criminal element in America. The ones who end up filling up prisons. Some of them murdered Johnny & Lisa. They are psychopaths.

Exactly, On top of all that they plaster the shit all over their facebook, Open for all to see. Dont you think if their parents gave a shit they would have at least tryed to put a stop to it? I Guess not being they were to fucking busy building their own resume.....or should I say rap sheet. Im just saying it has a lot to do with the parenting. I fought my kids all the way, and you better believe they hated my guts. Not saying they didnt find their share of trouble like most kids, but they knew if I found out their ass was grass.

[SayWhat123]

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I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO
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And thats why I think it was kids between 17-21. These kids now a days think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Like they are just playing a video game. They watch these hard core gang movies and they are fascinated with the shit. They play this shit out like a real gangsta movie. JMO

[SayWhat123]

Oh and by the way I went to the benefit tonight. It was just a normal dinner at TGI Fridays. I didnt see anybody and I didnt hear anybody talking about the case. TGIF was just donating part of the proceeds to the reward fund. Glad I went tho I hope they made lots of money. I want nothing more than to see these nut jobs off the streets and behind bars. Well good Night All. Pray for a break in the case I know I will.

[NightOwl]

I think that is certainly a possibility. I believe, however, that this was much more personal. It just seems too hard core for a drug deal gone bad. IMO I think that JC was dealing drugs but I don't think that he was a "big time" dealer. I believe he was a small fish and wasn't flipping hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands. I know that people have been killed over a $20 drug debt but I don't think someone(no matter how gansta) would kill in this manner for a $500 or even a $1,000 debt. I believe the guy that he snitched on a few years back sought revenge. I think that the crowd JC associated with (or more importantly used to associate with) view snitching as the ultimate betrayal. I think torturing and killing Lisa in front of JC was the ultimate revenge. IMO the perps chose what they felt would be the most physically and emotionally painful method of revenge and death. I think their plan was, of course, based on what they felt they could get away with at the time. JMO
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And thats why I think it was kids between 17-21. These kids now a days think they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Like they are just playing a video game. They watch these hard core gang movies and they are fascinated with the shit. They play this shit out like a real gangsta movie. JMO
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How many do you think were involved?

[NightOwl]

Oh and by the way I went to the benefit tonight. It was just a normal dinner at TGI Fridays. I didnt see anybody and I didnt hear anybody talking about the case. TGIF was just donating part of the proceeds to the reward fund. Glad I went tho I hope they made lots of money. I want nothing more than to see these nut jobs off the streets and behind bars. Well good Night All. Pray for a break in the case I know I will.

I Pray also and many thanks for your TGI Fridays report!